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Old 04-29-2016, 01:50 AM   #401
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How is the OAR 1.66:1 for an 80's movie?
If I recall correctly...

1.66 was the (typical) European aspect ratio. The U.S. was (typically) 1.85. The current 1.78 for today's HD sets was a poor compromise between the two.
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Old 04-29-2016, 02:07 AM   #402
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This film has always been a personal favorite of mine. I saw it during its original theatrical run in the early 1980s, and snagged a copy of it when it was released on blu ray in 2011. Although I would welcome a new transfer of the film on blu ray, I still think the existing transfer is perfectly good nevertheless.
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Old 04-29-2016, 02:10 AM   #403
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If I recall correctly...

1.66 was the (typical) European aspect ratio. The U.S. was (typically) 1.85. The current 1.78 for today's HD sets was a poor compromise between the two.
If 1.66:1 is the intended ratio, then it should be presented that way. However, it's very probable that Excalibur was shown at 1.85:1 in US theaters.
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Old 04-29-2016, 02:29 AM   #404
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Yeah this was the first real sword and fantasy movie I got into as a kid in the 80s. Then came Beastmaster, although not in the same league as Excalibur. However one of my faves was...yeah can't remember the name right now....dude had a triple bladed sword that launched the two side blades...I think it was the sword and the sorcerer....?
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If I recall correctly...

1.66 was the (typical) European aspect ratio. The U.S. was (typically) 1.85. The current 1.78 for today's HD sets was a poor compromise between the two.
I know Europe was 1.66:1 for a long time, but I didn't think that lasted anywhere near as late as this movie. First I have ever heard of that. In any case I'm sure it was 1.85:1 in the US, as someone else just said, so the 16:9 image is likely fine.
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Yeah this was the first real sword and fantasy movie I got into as a kid in the 80s. Then came Beastmaster, although not in the same league as Excalibur. However one of my faves was...yeah can't remember the name right now....dude had a triple bladed sword that launched the two side blades...I think it was the sword and the sorcerer....?
Yes the Sword and the Sorcerer
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Old 04-29-2016, 12:47 PM   #407
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Yes the Sword and the Sorcerer
You are correct!
Absolute classic! Along with Hawk the Slayer!
Perhaps I'm looking to far into as 80s sword/sorcery films are among my most cherished, but I can't help but think this genre is an untapped seller waiting to happen. Sure we've gotten the bigger film, like Conan and Excalibur and Willow, but there are some really nice gems still out there. Here's to hoping.
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Old 04-29-2016, 01:02 PM   #408
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Like a lot of you, I grew up watching this on HBO in the 80s. I don't know how I would react to this movie had I not seen it as a kid, but growing up, it was one of my favorites.
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I know Europe was 1.66:1 for a long time, but I didn't think that lasted anywhere near as late as this movie. First I have ever heard of that. In any case I'm sure it was 1.85:1 in the US, as someone else just said, so the 16:9 image is likely fine.
I can't speak for the UK but 1.66:1 was used well into the 80s in Sweden, heck, we even had theatrical movies shot in the 1.37:1 AR well into the 60s.

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Old 04-29-2016, 06:21 PM   #410
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I watched this again last night to see if I would have a different reaction on the second viewing.

It has it's good parts for sure.

But the story is an absolute mess.

And most of the acting is terrible.

...not surprising that Nigel Terry didn't exactly set the world on fire after this film.
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I watched this again last night to see if I would have a different reaction on the second viewing.

It has it's good parts for sure.

But the story is an absolute mess.

And most of the acting is terrible.

...not surprising that Nigel Terry didn't exactly set the world on fire after this film.
Nicol Williamson and Helen Mirren are really the stars of the show IMHO.
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Old 04-29-2016, 06:36 PM   #412
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Nicol Williamson and Helen Mirren are really the stars of the show IMHO.
Incest never felt so right.
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Old 04-30-2016, 01:14 PM   #413
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Nigel Terry was primarily a stage actor, a bit like Anthony Sher and Mark Rylance, whom people seem to think is some sort of incredible newcomer when he's been a stalwart of theatreland for decades.

Not everyone makes their career on film. That said, Terry is pretty great in Caravaggio.
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Old 05-01-2016, 05:01 PM   #414
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Although the film was advertised, in the trailer, as being in Dolby Stereo it wasn't. There wasn't enough time for the final mix to be completed so it was released in MONO. For the previously released DVD a quick re-mix using some actual stereo tracks and fake ones was quickly put together.
In fact, the version released isn't even the complete film. There's some more footage that was left out - one scene where Guinevere is taken by Huns and Lancelot saves her.
John Boorman did have a Dolby Stereo soundtrack created. But a technical issue caused the track to lean heavily to the right so it was shelved and a mono track created.

The shelved Dolby Stereo track was used for the 1992 widescreen laserdisc. The "leaning to the right" issue was corrected.

The current 5.1 track, as heard on the DVD, HD-DVD, and Blu-Ray, was actually created for the 1998 laserdisc AC-3 re-issue.


As for the edit of the movie itself, John Boorman is on record that the 140 minute edit is his preferred version of the movie. Like it or not, it's likely the only version of the movie we will ever have.
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I saw this on the big screen at the AFI theater in Silver Spring last night. New 4k DCP (and projected in their largest theater, where I've also seen 2001 and Lawrence of Arabia both in 70mm). The DCP looked great. Would be nice if they issued a new blu-ray from this remaster with the recent documentary added, but not holding my breath. Used to be a good thing that WB didn't license out since they treated their catalog so well. This'd be a perfect title for Shout or Twilight or Arrow.

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I saw this on the big screen at the AFI theater in Silver Spring last night. 4k DCP (and projected in their largest theater, where I've also seen 2001 and Lawrence of Arabia both in 70mm). The DCP looked great. Would be nice if they issued a remastered blu-ray from this remaster with the recent documentary added, but not holding my breath. Used to be a good thing that WB didn't license out since they treated their catalog so well. This'd be a perfect title for Shout or Twilight or Arrow.
This is one of my all time favorites....like you said Warner can't be bothered with anything more than the same 12 catalogue titles when it comes to new updated versions... but I guess the fact that it even came out has to unfortunately be looked at as a win....sad...

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It needs a proper presentation, the cropping in the current release is off and I'm sure it can look better overall. One of my tip top favorite movies of all time
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I saw this on the big screen at the AFI theater in Silver Spring last night. New 4k DCP (and projected in their largest theater, where I've also seen 2001 and Lawrence of Arabia both in 70mm). The DCP looked great. Would be nice if they issued a new blu-ray from this remaster with the recent documentary added, but not holding my breath. Used to be a good thing that WB didn't license out since they treated their catalog so well. This'd be a perfect title for Shout or Twilight or Arrow.
Actually, WB is one of the few studios I would count on FOR re-issuing a 4K sourced version. They've done it numerous times already.
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I saw this on the big screen at the AFI theater in Silver Spring last night. New 4k DCP (and projected in their largest theater, where I've also seen 2001 and Lawrence of Arabia both in 70mm). The DCP looked great. Would be nice if they issued a new blu-ray from this remaster with the recent documentary added, but not holding my breath. Used to be a good thing that WB didn't license out since they treated their catalog so well. This'd be a perfect title for Shout or Twilight or Arrow.
this is what I wanted to hear! will go tomorrow night.
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I watched this again last night to see if I would have a different reaction on the second viewing.

It has it's good parts for sure.

But the story is an absolute mess.

And most of the acting is terrible.

...not surprising that Nigel Terry didn't exactly set the world on fire after this film.
I one thing I noticed, well, I always had a problem with this aspect is that the movie is very episodic it jumps around and glosses over certain aspects rather quickly. Does anyone know the editorial story of this movie, were initial cuts longer suggesting a more detailed storytelling and character points?

the guy in front of me at the AFI Silver was really laughing a lot at the hit or miss acting skills of some of the actors - I was kind of gutted - I guess in this day and age of 'Game of Thrones' one gets more grittier language

one thing I found really distracting is the cinematography - too many of the character's heads are placed too high within the framing - a sliver of the screen masking the top seemed to accentuate this flaw even more.

as to the new DCP - wow!! just wow!! the grain present on the bluray is gone, there's more color, and the sharpness really brings out costume details and props - oh how I'd love to have a remastered 4K disc edition of this.

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