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Old 02-25-2017, 06:42 PM   #3161
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are you mounting them on the ceiling or on the front wall (high) or on the side walls (high)?

I have 6 OWM-5 speakers between my two setups listed in my sig and they sound great.

just remember, your ATMOS/DTS:X speakers must be higher than your surround speakers, upper bed, lower bed. if possible, your surrounds should be close to ear height and the ATMOS/DTS:X should be nice and high. just try to keep good separation between the mounting heights if at all possible. this helps to allow for a better illusion of height and listening space.

again, if possible, not everything is possible for everyone given everyone's situation is different, but, do try to keep a healthy amount of space between mounting heights.

as for your concerns about the height mounting difference, as long as it's not too much difference, the calibration program will compensate with timing to ensure it matches properly with the left height channel via delays. how much difference in inches are we talking?

good luck with yours. keep us posted, good so see your making progress.
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Old 02-25-2017, 08:03 PM   #3164
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are you mounting them on the ceiling or on the front wall (high) or on the side walls (high)?

I have 6 OWM-5 speakers between my two setups listed in my sig and they sound great.

just remember, your ATMOS/DTS:X speakers must be higher than your surround speakers, upper bed, lower bed. if possible, your surrounds should be close to ear height and the ATMOS/DTS:X should be nice and high. just try to keep good separation between the mounting heights if at all possible. this helps to allow for a better illusion of height and listening space.

again, if possible, not everything is possible for everyone given everyone's situation is different, but, do try to keep a healthy amount of space between mounting heights.

as for your concerns about the height mounting difference, as long as it's not too much difference, the calibration program will compensate with timing to ensure it matches properly with the left height channel via delays. how much difference in inches are we talking?

good luck with yours. keep us posted, good so see your making progress.
Well film freak recommended front heights and middle ceiling becouse of the shape of the room. so that's where I was heading unless others have recommendations

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Well film freak recommended front heights and middle ceiling becouse of the shape of the room. so that's where I was heading unless others have recommendations

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I'm still recommending FH and TM for your room. If you are looking for some aesthetics too then look at the max height you can mount the Front Height OWM 5 over the front right speaker considering you are also tilting it down to be aimed at the MLP (when viewing the screen)... then mirror that over the left front speaker.

It's not going to be perfect because your room isn't exactly perfect, but it should do. At least be glad you didn't get "enabled" speakers.

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That was my thoughts but what about the tm? Mirror the fronts or the rears

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That was my thoughts but what about the tm? Mirror the fronts or the rears

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The distance between the TM speakers should mirror the Front Heights and stay in line with them. When you run the calibration system, the speaker distances will be adjusted accordingly to the MLP. If you want the TM speakers to have similar height to each other with an irregularly angled ceiling, you may wish to get an extension pole mount for the Left Top Middle (again, for the aesthetics more than anything).

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The distance between the TM speakers should mirror the Front Heights and stay in line with them. When you run the calibration system, the speaker distances will be adjusted accordingly to the MLP. If you want the TM speakers to have similar height to each other with an irregularly angled ceiling, you may wish to get an extension pole mount for the Left Top Middle (again, for the aesthetics more than anything).
Even though my rears dont mirror my fronts?

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Even though my rears don't mirror my fronts?

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Not much you can do there. You're dealing with a not so home-theater-friendly space.

Also, you don't look at the ceiling when you walk into a room, normally.
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Well the OWM 5 have a template so I'm going to play around a bit too I'll shoot some pics too

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I am beginning to think that ceiling reflections from the lower 7 speakers are muddying the output from the 4 in-ceiling speakers. Thoughts? If you agree, what WAF ways are you using to combat this?

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I am beginning to think that ceiling reflections from the lower 7 speakers are muddying the output from the 4 in-ceiling speakers. Thoughts? If you agree, what WAF ways are you using to combat this?

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Few questions come to mind, as that shouldn't be an issue. Where are your overheads placed with respect to your listening position as well lower 7? How do you calibrate your system? How high is your ceiling?
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I used Dolby 7.1.4 speaker placement recommendations. TF and TR. I used Audyssey from the Denon receiver to calibrate and confirmed speaker levels with Radio Shack dB meter. I even made the overheads a little "hotter" than lowers, but I still think the immersive audio tracks are not as pronounced as they should be. Would the speaker efficiency come into play? The lower 7 Infinity speakers are crazy efficient (98) vs the ceiling B&W (89). Ceiling is normal 8 foot basement.
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I used Dolby 7.1.4 speaker placement recommendations. TF and TR. I used Audyssey from the Denon receiver to calibrate and confirmed speaker levels with Radio Shack dB meter. I even made the overheads a little "hotter" than lowers, but I still think the immersive audio tracks are not as pronounced as they should be. Would the speaker efficiency come into play? The lower 7 Infinity speakers are crazy efficient (98) vs the ceiling B&W (89). Ceiling is normal 8 foot basement.
Audyssey should take care of the difference in efficiencies and receiver power, but there might be something it is not getting right. Curious how much hotter you run your overheads. In ceiling speakers can be tough at times depending on where they are placed, since their dispersion can sometimes not be directly aimed at the main listening position. What movies are you watching where you feel you are not getting the right effect?
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Not much hotter, maybe +2. I do wish I had gone with aimable tweeter in-ceiling speakers. That could have helped with dispersion issue.
I was watching Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation and I thought the underwater computer server scene should have been more immersive. Maybe it was the mix itself.
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Not much hotter, maybe +2. I do wish I had gone with aimable tweeter in-ceiling speakers. That could have helped with dispersion issue.
I was watching Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation and I thought the underwater computer server scene should have been more immersive. Maybe it was the mix itself.
That scene is one of my go to demos actually, as it is very immersive. The mechanical arm sounds like it is moving through the entire room and passes directly overhead. I would experiment with your levels since switching out ceiling speakers is a lot of work. I use my ears more than Audyssey and am always tweaking based on what sounds right to me. I have my overheads at +2 and they are actually more efficient than my main level speakers. Plus they are even aimed directly at the MLP. Once I got them dialed in, the whole room works together. A scene that I use to tweak everything is in 10 Cloverfield lane when the car passes overhead. The car passes from the back corner through the right rear overhead through the left front overhead and ends up in the front left. When levels are set right, there should be no change in volume. Audyssey Pro is another option, but there is a cost associated with that, plus an investment in time.
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Getting ready to go Atmos (5.1.2) in the next week. I picked up the Onkyo 656 the other day and just ordered a pair of OWM3's today. I also have the Oppo 203 on the way. Some fun movie nights coming up!! I'll post some HT pics when I am done.

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That scene is one of my go to demos actually, as it is very immersive. The mechanical arm sounds like it is moving through the entire room and passes directly overhead. I would experiment with your levels since switching out ceiling speakers is a lot of work. I use my ears more than Audyssey and am always tweaking based on what sounds right to me. I have my overheads at +2 and they are actually more efficient than my main level speakers. Plus they are even aimed directly at the MLP. Once I got them dialed in, the whole room works together. A scene that I use to tweak everything is in 10 Cloverfield lane when the car passes overhead. The car passes from the back corner through the right rear overhead through the left front overhead and ends up in the front left. When levels are set right, there should be no change in volume. Audyssey Pro is another option, but there is a cost associated with that, plus an investment in time.
I just refoamed my rear surround speakers. I'm going to rerun Audyssey and recheck my levels.

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After refoaming the rear surrounds, I recalibrated my levels. I did point the spl meter slightly forward to simulate/compensate for human ear design. I feel like I am getting good immersion now.

Next issue: I have DirecTV, but with my Denon set to Dolby Digital + Dolby Surround or Dolby Digital + Neural:X I am not getting any output from my left or right surround speakers. The 2 rears and 4 overheads are active. Anybody else experience this?

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After refoaming the rear surrounds, I recalibrated my levels. I did point the spl meter slightly forward to simulate/compensate for human ear design. I feel like I am getting good immersion now.

Next issue: I have DirecTV, but with my Denon set to Dolby Digital + Dolby Surround or Dolby Digital + Neural:X I am not getting any output from my left or right surround speakers. The 2 rears and 4 overheads are active. Anybody else experience this?

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I'm curious. What is "refoaming" a speaker? I have never heard that term. Thanks.
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