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Old 01-05-2015, 08:16 AM   #1941
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This weekend I watched all of the older versions of the film for the first time, and the workprint is definitely my favorite version of the film. Especially the final scene where Roy is chasing Deckard through the apartment complex. The temp music makes that scene creepy as ****! I also like the way the camera lingers on the smoking bullet hole of the dead blade runner that Leon shoots at the beginning of the film. In all the other cuts it almost immediately cuts from that shot and I've always thought it was too abrupt.

It just makes me sad knowing that this blu-ray is likely the best looking copy of the workprint that will ever be released. I would have loved a full remaster of that version. On the other hand,it could and did look a lot worse before they cleaned it up. The blu-ray is not perfect, but it's far from terrible considering what it is.

Oh and having seen the older versions I really really do not like the color grading of the Final Cut. When the Final Cut was all I had seen it was fine, but now I prefer the warmer look of the older versions.

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Especially given it played without anyone expecting it. Hell, they probably didn't even know that it existed. At least, that's my understanding: it was just a regular event screening of Blade Runner at some theater (I have heard both Dallas and Seattle as the location) in the early 1990s and it turned out to be this workprint.
I'm going to see Blade Runner this weekend at the theater. But it's specifically the Final Cut, so I'm not expecting any crazy surprises like that.
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Especially given it played without anyone expecting it. Hell, they probably didn't even know that it existed. At least, that's my understanding: it was just a regular event screening of Blade Runner at some theater (I have heard both Dallas and Seattle as the location) in the early 1990s and it turned out to be this workprint.
Well, yeah, that's exactly what I was referring to. Out of the blue, those folks got treated to this incredible alternate version and the legend of Blade Runner got kickstarted in earnest. What's even luckier about those screenings is that if they didn't request the 70mm version, then the workprint may have never been uncovered and we may have never gotten all this other goodness years later.
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This weekend I watched all of the older versions of the film for the first time, and the workprint is definitely my favorite version of the film. Especially the final scene where Roy is chasing Deckard through the apartment complex. The temp music makes that scene creepy as ****! I also like the way the camera lingers on the smoking bullet hole of the dead blade runner that Leon shoots at the beginning of the film. In all the other cuts it almost immediately cuts from that shot and I've always thought it was too abrupt.

It just makes me sad knowing that this blu-ray is likely the best looking copy of the workprint that will ever be released. I would have loved a full remaster of that version. On the other hand,it could and did look a lot worse before they cleaned it up. The blu-ray is not perfect, but it's far from terrible considering what it is.

Oh and having seen the older versions I really really do not like the color grading of the Final Cut. When the Final Cut was all I had seen it was fine, but now I prefer the warmer look of the older versions.
I am not sure how I feel about the color timing, but the greater detail of The Final Cut really stood out to me last time I watched this compared to the other versions - which are still nice 2K scans. But no question the amount of work put into The Final Cut showed. I've been meaning to watch one of them lately actually and might re-compare to The Final Cut.
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Quick question:

Does the older 5 disc version have the same picture and audio quality as the newer 3-disc version? If so, are there any other benefits that make the 3 disc version superior?
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Quick question:

Does the older 5 disc version have the same picture and audio quality as the newer 3-disc version? If so, are there any other benefits that make the 3 disc version superior?
Workprint has better audio and the extras are now on a BD (but have poorer PQ than the DVDs), there's a couple of new featurettes or galleries added to the anniversary release. The Final Cut is the same.
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... extras are now on a BD (but have poorer PQ than the DVDs) ...
Might've missed it but I don't believe I've seen that mentioned before. How is that even possible - the same, yes, but worse ...?
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Especially given it played without anyone expecting it. Hell, they probably didn't even know that it existed. At least, that's my understanding: it was just a regular event screening of Blade Runner at some theater (I have heard both Dallas and Seattle as the location) in the early 1990s and it turned out to be this workprint.
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Well, yeah, that's exactly what I was referring to. Out of the blue, those folks got treated to this incredible alternate version and the legend of Blade Runner got kickstarted in earnest. What's even luckier about those screenings is that if they didn't request the 70mm version, then the workprint may have never been uncovered and we may have never gotten all this other goodness years later.
It was Los Angeles for the Fairfax Theater and their 1990 spring film festival, Rob Bartha requested a 70mm print and it turned up to be the Workprint (and not the International Cut) from the Dallas / Denver sneak-peaks.

I think it was only shown once again after that, as it was regarded too precious to be loaned out, even though requests were coming fix and fast after the Fairfax buzz. The Multimedia Festival event was sold out but they did repeat the screening as demand was so high.

It's weird how things come together, we probably wouldn't be in this thread if it wasn't for that initial request in 1990.
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Might've missed it but I don't believe I've seen that mentioned before. How is that even possible - the same, yes, but worse ...?
The Dangerous Days documentary on Blu-ray looks slightly worse off compared to it's DVD version. It's most noticeable when there's text on the screen. It's not night and day by any means and the added convenience of having the extras on one disc sways the Blu-ray release but if you're in the mood to watch Dangerous Days, pop the DVD in your player!
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The Dangerous Days documentary on Blu-ray looks slightly worse off compared to it's DVD version. It's most noticeable when there's text on the screen. It's not night and day by any means and the added convenience of having the extras on one disc sways the Blu-ray release but if you're in the mood to watch Dangerous Days, pop the DVD in your player!
I recall caps posted here about that but not the BD/DVD part. Anyway, I be SOL 'cause I only have the BD set. Oh, well ...
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I recall caps posted here about that but not the BD/DVD part. Anyway, I be SOL 'cause I only have the BD set. Oh, well ...
There was a truncated version in HD on the BBC a few months back, so it would be nice to see the full documentary in all it's glory. I wouldn't worry if you've just got the BDs.
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Might've missed it but I don't believe I've seen that mentioned before. How is that even possible - the same, yes, but worse ...?
It's been discussed pretty recently if you want to go back and read it. Basically they're SD on both releases but when they moved them to blu ray the compression or something was different, and they look slightly worse. It's not a big deal IMO, especially for an SD documentary, but others seem more bothered by it.

Could also have something to do with scaling. I know my BD player has such great scaling that my DS9 DVD version of "Trials and Tribble-ations" looks better than the blu ray SD version on the TOS blu rays.
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The only place Dangerous Days really looks worse on the BD - at least to me - is in the text (names and such, when displayed for interviews), which comes across as very blocky, with lots of aliasing. For the most part, it looks fine. It's not something that's gonna bug me, considering it's not the movie...just a "Making Of" doc about the movie. Even though it is one of my favorite "Making Of" docs.

Basically, yeah, I think that whatever method they used to upscale the doc for the BD was simply inferior to the upscaling that your average BD player does for the DVD version of the doc.
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