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Old 02-17-2017, 10:59 AM   #3521
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I haven't seen The Abyss since I was a little kid, which was many years ago and I barely remember it. I want to watch it again but I don't know which version to watch. Should I watch the theatrical or extended version?
I very much recommend watching the Theatrical version first, and then the Extended. This is not simply a case of having extra footage, this is one of the most significant alterations to a movie ever. Thing is, I love both versions for different reasons. As such, I think it's important to watch both, but if you watch the Extended first, then you're going to feel like you're just "missing stuff" when you watch the Theatrical.
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Old 02-17-2017, 04:10 PM   #3522
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I haven't seen The Abyss since I was a little kid, which was many years ago and I barely remember it. I want to watch it again but I don't know which version to watch. Should I watch the theatrical or extended version?
This is one rare case where I would say you should watch the extended cut first instead of the theatrical cut.

The theatrical cut does work, but the extended cut feels more complete and well-rounded.

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Old 02-17-2017, 04:19 PM   #3523
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This is one rare case where I would say you should watch the extended cut first instead of the theatrical cut.

The theatrical cut does work, but the extended cut feels more complete and well-rounded.

The operative word above is "rare." I could not agree more. Nearly every extended cut I have tried out (or, for comedy films, "unrated" cuts), they're nearly always worse than the theatrical versions. I'll second the vote that for The Abyss, the extended cut is the way to go.
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Old 02-17-2017, 05:02 PM   #3524
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I don't see why Cameron is an a**hole to his fans. He should take a little time off and remaster these 2 movies that his fans want and release them or allow Fox to release them.
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Quiz: Which James Cameron Bluray already has more releases and re-releases than any other???

I don't know for sure, but I suspect it's T2. So yeah, time to move on.

I think he is on record saying there's a 4K scan of The Abyss already made, no? All they have to do is format, advertise, release, and distribute. People will gobble it up! It's one of the seminal films of the decade.
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I don't see why Cameron is an a**hole to his fans. He should take a little time off and remaster these 2 movies that his fans want and release them or allow Fox to release them.
He's too busy making sure that the Avatar sequels will be ready by 2025.
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He's too busy making sure that the Avatar sequels will totally suck in 2025.
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Old 02-17-2017, 05:39 PM   #3529
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He's too busy making sure that the Avatar sequels will be ready by 2025.
Then he should allow and tell Fox to go ahead with remastering The Abyss and True Lies.
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The operative word above is "rare." I could not agree more. Nearly every extended cut I have tried out (or, for comedy films, "unrated" cuts), they're nearly always worse than the theatrical versions. I'll second the vote that for The Abyss, the extended cut is the way to go.
I'd say the Final Cut for Blade Runner, the Extended Editions for LOTR trilogy, and the Director's Cut for Close Encounters of the Third Kind are versions better than their theatrical cuts. At least those come right to my mind.
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Then he should allow and tell Fox to go ahead with remastering The Abyss and True Lies.
Er the Abyss has been remastered already. Haven't you read the thread?
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I'd say the Final Cut for Blade Runner, the Extended Editions for LOTR trilogy, and the Director's Cut for Close Encounters of the Third Kind are versions better than their theatrical cuts. At least those come right to my mind.
It's all a matter of opinion, I suppose.

Absolutely Blade Runner's The Final Cut is superior, though it does lay down more hints that Deckard is a replicant, which goes against what Phillip K. Dick intended. Ridley can do what he wants, but if you give him a long leash, he'll screw it up (ala Prometheus).

LOTR - that's a mixed bag for me. While I like the extended cuts for Fellowship and Towers, I didn't care for it on King.

Close Encounters - Oh man, I think the story is much better without knowing what the inside of the ship is like. It leaves a deep sense of mystery about it that I enjoy, so I gotta go with the theatrical release on that one. Spielberg agrees as well.

Here's one that mystifies me: Braveheart. I saw clips on the "edited for TV version" back in the 1990s that never made their way to DVD/BR. Specifically I recall a longer and more descriptive speech from the magistrate who slit Murron's throat, and describing for the crowd gathered the unlawful nature of secret weddings under Longshanks. In the theatrical and home video versions, there's snippets, but the viewer is left without a lot of motive behind slaying her (we have enough, but the TV version had more). I wish Sapphire had given us the option of watching the film with these added cuts.

I will forever vacillate on "The Natural." They added 20 minutes, but they took away 9. Sometimes I hate it, sometimes I don't. It's a mixed bag.

The extended cuts for Alien, Aliens, and Alien Resurrection I enjoy more than the theatrical versions, but Alien3... I hate them both!

Wow - I can't believe I forgot "Das Boot." Holy cow, the ONLY version to watch is the Director's Cut, which is if I recall correctly, about 45 minutes longer. Some of the discussions between the German sailors on valor and allegiance to the Fatherland while they're stuck on the ocean floor give the film so much more value in my mind.

But yeah, for the most part, extended cuts for me usually cause me to think "I can see why they cut THAT out!"
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Close Encounters - Oh man, I think the story is much better without knowing what the inside of the ship is like. It leaves a deep sense of mystery about it that I enjoy, so I gotta go with the theatrical release on that one. Spielberg agrees as well.
The Director's Cut doesn't show the inside of the ship like the Special Edition does. It's basically a mix of the Theatrical Cut and the Special Edition. The Director's Cut is Spielberg's preferred version of the film (it's called Director's Cut after all).
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I screwed up which one I was talking about. Good call, mate.
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I don't see why Cameron is an a**hole to his fans. He should take a little time off and remaster these 2 movies that his fans want and release them or allow Fox to release them.
and why is he an A--Hole to his fans again? please, give us instances where he specifically said a big fat F-You to the fans.
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Then he should allow and tell Fox to go ahead with remastering The Abyss and True Lies.
Oh brother. They were already remastered once, just not released. The HDTV version ofthe theatrical cut of The Abyss has been playing for a while, and it's Cameron's NEW signature teal color timing so that's confirmed to be the remaster. True Lies had special features done 2-3 years ago, which is also confirmed. They just weren't released. Now they are going back to do 4K releases.
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and why is he an A--Hole to his fans again? please, give us instances where he specifically said a big fat F-You to the fans.
Knowing that his fans want True Lies in Bluray and he keeps holding it off to go diving and writing scripts to sequels that won't be released for 10 years and releasing a movie in 3D that's 16 years old and that 3D is not even a big deal. He he keeps saying the release is on its way and if it was we would have had a release date already.
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Knowing that his fans want True Lies in Bluray and he keeps holding it off to go diving and writing scripts to sequels that won't be released for 10 years and releasing a movie in 3D that's 16 years old and that 3D is not even main stream.
Yeah, at his age, he should really put his passions on the back burner to cater to a small group of people who want a blu-Ray copy of two of his movies. What a prick.
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