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Old 06-09-2013, 05:35 AM   #161
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Ok, if I did not get an answer id have used those since it says this in bold on the back of the case.

1954
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.....I will use these. ^^ I am totally excited to see this.

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Yes. This. Then try the 1.33 version second.
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Old 06-19-2013, 05:15 AM   #163
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Just picked this up. Saw it years ago but ive forgotten most of it
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Old 06-19-2013, 10:40 PM   #164
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english is fine dude. We'll leave it to the guys at HTF to thrash it out about directors intent and aspect ratio . When i get the german version ill compare the compression . Thanks again for the info from Sony Europe
...Hi again Chopper

Here is the ... Report with Relative Mapping Bitrate both video and audio, of the Sony (Italian/German Release) Edition, a bit further down, at the end of the post, the comparison between the Criterion edition and the Sony Edition ...:




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Title                                                           Codec    Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                           Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------   ------- --------------  --------------  ------- -------  ------------------                        ---------------------
00001.MPLS                                                      AVC      1:47:41 28.359.032.832  31.357.166.254  35,11   27,89   DTS-HD Master  5.1 3143Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)

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DISC INFO:


Disc Title:     ON_THE_WATERFRONT
Disc Size:      31.357.166.254 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
BDInfo:         0.5.8


PLAYLIST REPORT:


Name:                   00001.MPLS
Length:                 1:47:41.455 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   28.359.032.832 bytes
Total Bitrate:          35,11 Mbps


VIDEO:


Codec                   Bitrate             Description    
-----                   -------             -----------    
MPEG-4 AVC Video        27885 kbps          1080p / 23,976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1


AUDIO:


Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description    
-----                           --------        -------         -----------    
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         3143 kbps       5.1 / 48  kHz / 3143 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio             French          192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             German          192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             Italian         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             Portuguese      192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps



FILES:


Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate  
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------  
00001.M2TS      0:00:00.000     1:47:41.455     28.359.032.832  35.112          


CHAPTERS:


Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max  1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec  Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------   --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------   --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------   --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:05:58.524     27.041 kbps     42.941  kbps     00:00:12.012    32.923 kbps     00:00:12.012    31.975 kbps      00:00:12.012    140.965 bytes   585.000 bytes   00:00:12.178    
2               0:05:58.524     0:07:23.568     27.816 kbps     35.644  kbps     00:11:03.287    30.831 kbps     00:11:03.245    29.942 kbps      00:12:31.542    145.019 bytes   425.107 bytes   00:13:22.092    
3               0:13:22.092     0:06:43.027     28.308 kbps     35.745  kbps     00:17:38.766    31.122 kbps     00:17:20.247    30.172 kbps      00:14:20.484    147.585 bytes   407.630 bytes   00:13:57.920    
4               0:20:05.120     0:06:00.443     27.037 kbps     34.609  kbps     00:24:20.500    29.706 kbps     00:25:25.982    29.119 kbps      00:25:13.887    140.957 bytes   391.358 bytes   00:25:26.900    
5               0:26:05.564     0:11:31.107     28.491 kbps     38.406  kbps     00:34:47.627    31.337 kbps     00:34:45.249    30.254 kbps      00:34:52.632    148.541 bytes   421.113 bytes   00:35:35.174    
6               0:37:36.671     0:05:30.747     28.003 kbps     36.060  kbps     00:39:08.512    29.706 kbps     00:42:27.253    29.028 kbps      00:42:27.127    145.997 bytes   402.167 bytes   00:38:15.710    
7               0:43:07.418     0:07:25.319     26.835 kbps     35.106  kbps     00:46:31.246    30.212 kbps     00:43:07.418    29.227 kbps      00:43:08.168    139.905 bytes   357.885 bytes   00:49:45.232    
8               0:50:32.738     0:08:25.004     27.191 kbps     38.316  kbps     00:50:32.821    31.182 kbps     00:54:22.968    29.961 kbps      00:57:05.380    141.762 bytes   405.487 bytes   00:50:33.655    
9               0:58:57.742     0:04:41.030     28.620 kbps     37.549  kbps     00:59:29.607    31.020 kbps     01:03:08.910    30.484 kbps      01:03:03.404    149.211 bytes   483.540 bytes   01:02:45.136    
10              1:03:38.773     0:06:47.740     28.495 kbps     37.791  kbps     01:05:39.393    31.122 kbps     01:06:45.042    30.358 kbps      01:04:09.095    148.558 bytes   461.812 bytes   01:06:45.459    
11              1:10:26.513     0:05:47.472     27.817 kbps     35.984  kbps     01:15:26.939    30.476 kbps     01:15:06.084    29.256 kbps      01:15:00.579    145.023 bytes   384.436 bytes   01:15:27.773    
12              1:16:13.986     0:05:54.228     27.239 kbps     37.720  kbps     01:19:52.829    30.251 kbps     01:16:53.817    28.970 kbps      01:17:11.126    142.010 bytes   398.810 bytes   01:18:18.694    
13              1:22:08.214     0:09:56.846     27.826 kbps     36.435  kbps     01:27:08.556    30.420 kbps     01:27:04.594    29.171 kbps      01:29:46.297    145.070 bytes   445.338 bytes   01:22:52.425    
14              1:32:05.061     0:06:06.657     28.689 kbps     38.204  kbps     01:33:17.592    31.443 kbps     01:33:14.213    30.246 kbps      01:33:09.750    149.573 bytes   400.321 bytes   01:33:02.785    
15              1:38:11.719     0:05:18.526     28.785 kbps     37.092  kbps     01:40:02.496    31.173 kbps     01:43:23.739    30.327 kbps      01:42:16.338    150.074 bytes   419.742 bytes   01:43:25.741    
16              1:43:30.245     0:04:11.209     28.211 kbps     36.935  kbps     01:46:53.990    30.939 kbps     01:47:06.336    29.798 kbps      01:44:30.430    147.102 bytes   405.815 bytes   01:46:54.825
...SONY EDITION...




CRITERION EDITION...:BITRATE VIDEO DISC ONE FEATURE SIZE 24,329,185,520 Bytes Aspect Ratio/1.66:1-Video Bitrate 22.49 Mbps (1.66:1
DTS-HD Master Audio English 3362 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 3362 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)



...As it is deduced by the two Report Put to Comparison, the compression on the Sony Edition, is clearly smaller and managed Very better, in comparison to the BD disk Criterion.


... HERE ALSO A SCREEN-CAPS OF THE SONY EDITION , LOOKS THAT WONDER, THE THIN GRAIN ARE SPECTACULAR !!! ...:




...Here are the Direct link to view the image in detail and in full screen, without scaling...:


...The eyes let flow with tears, then blood, then the very soul—the whole wrung inside out, dripping down into the blackened puddle of the past...

... THE CINEMA IS AN INVENTION WITHOUT A FUTURE ! ...
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Old 06-20-2013, 02:20 PM   #165
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now thats compression. Compare that with the macroblocking of the 1:33.1 version from criterion . Cant wait for my italian copy to arrive
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...Hi Chopper !

...Has you arrived to you then, the Italian Edition in BD ?

...Here meanwhile, a comparative among the Sony Edition DE/IT vs. Criterion ! ...:




...Obviously, the yield of grain, it is visibly much better managed in the Sony Edition
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... THE CINEMA IS AN INVENTION WITHOUT A FUTURE ! ...
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now thats compression. Compare that with the macroblocking of the 1:33.1 version from criterion . Cant wait for my italian copy to arrive
There is no such macroblocking as the one you speculate there is.

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...Obviously, the yield of grain, it is visibly much better managed in the Sony Edition
I don't have this disc yet so I cannot offer an opinion, but I expect exactly the opposite to be true, meaning identical presentations, as they both obviously use the same restoration as a foundation.

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Old 07-02-2013, 01:40 AM   #168
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...Hi Svet !

... I hope you did not misunderstand the tone of my post.

...Because I repeat, despite the detail and perception, as well as the management of the grain is visibly much better managed in the edition Sony ( due to the lower compression) , even for me, the Criterion Edition is and remains the BEST Release on BD about "ON THE WATERFRONT", and this is not discussed !

...Anyway, that's my thoughts about it, I wrote some time ago in a few posts back...:

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...Anyway, to avoid any misunderstanding on my part, it is far from clear that ...:

The detail of the ... Compression is important, but in the face of one of the editions (and I speak in general, that is, from the care of the packaging of everything else ...) of this masterpiece, the most complete that you are NEVER views on the face of the earth (since the advent of Blu Ray Disc and High Fidelity AUDIO / VIDEO), the Criterion Edition is and will remain the Best, ever, because as I have often repeated, a transfer you must ALWAYS evaluate to 360 °.
Also because ... it is true that the compression is a little high, but is still within limits, and returned safely in safety standards, as we have in the order, citing the report dvdbeaver ...:

Video Bitrate: 22.49 Mbps (1.66:1) / 20.99 Mbps (both 1.33:1 + 1.85:1)

anyway ... which is more than acceptable, not to have big problems of compression.

Then ... it is normal that when the frame is in pause, is clear that what is most visible, but given that the Movie can be seen with the frame in motion ...

Sure ... is, as mentioned above, that the use of a Third BD, would solve everything, but oh well, life is not that we can not have everything and we must also be able to evaluate the pros and cons ...

... for example, even though in our edition Sony, surely we will have the video encoded much more generously than Criterion, (which in this respect, will make the SONY edition, the Best Available in the World! ...) from 'On the other hand, all of the wonderful Extra, that Criterion has, we got them and we can only DREAM ...


...With sincere Friendship

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...Hi Svet !

... I hope you did not misunderstand the tone of my post.

...Because I repeat, despite the detail and perception, as well as the management of the grain is visibly much better managed in the edition Sony ( due to the lower compression) , even for me, the Criterion Edition is and remains the BEST Release on BD about "ON THE WATERFRONT", and this is not discussed !

...Anyway, that's my thoughts about it, I wrote some time ago in a few posts back...:

...With sincere Friendship

Nicola
Hi Nicola,

I did not misunderstand your post But I definitely disagree with what has been posted here. To be perfectly clear, the claim that there is some macroblocking issue on the Criterion release is simply off.

What the term macroblocking refers to isn't present on the Criterion release.

On the other hand, I cannot offer an opinion on this Region-B release of On the Waterfront because I have not seen it, but I would be shocked if what you have written is in fact true - which is that grain is "much better managed". I will have one of these Region-B releases soon and will comment again after I see the film in its entirety again and compare the presentation with Criterion's presentation, but there cannot be such drastic differences as speculated in this thread.

I hope you are well

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Old 07-02-2013, 06:59 AM   #170
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...Svet,

...I'm really sorry ... because I think I used a term not really appropriate, and for that, is created this little misunderstanding.


...In fact, I didn't mean that the grain is "managed better" on the Sony edition , but only that, ( as it is visbile from the screens compared ), that the perception of the detail, is Slightly, just and only Slightly, (at least so it seems from the screens) "Best" in the BD Sony, and that, consequently, the grain (the structure grain) is slightly more visible in the Sony edition , thanks always to the smaller compression.


... But all this, even in this case, will be almost irrelevant, since equal Master used, the two Edition compared, with the frame in motion, will certainly be almost and practically identical.

...As for, the discourse on macroblocking, I (unfortunately. ..) I do not have the Criterion edition, and from the screen that you posted it I've NEVER seen this defect, in fact I have never written that in Edition Criterion are present macroblocking.

...I again apologize you and I Hope that you have finally understood my point of view, that didn't leastly want to diminish the Marvelous one and Inarrivabile Criterion Edition , Splendidly Reviewed by You.

Rellay kind Regards

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Hey Nicola,

No need to apologize. I understood what you meant

PM when you have time...(Also, check the Carlotta thread).

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...Of course Svet !!!

...I'm sorry ... if I answered you so late, but the other day I was leaving to go to work !!...

...Now ... I'm going to see immediately !!!
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Never seen this movie but it is at the top of my list of movies to pick up during the B&N sale next week.
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Im not so sure Svet, the macroblocking on the 1.33:1 Criterion version is very obvious when you hit the pause button on certain scenes, even without zoom, but with 2 versions on the one disc , its no big deal . For example the Eve marie Saint close up when terry malloy confesses her brother was murdered . She put her hands to her face in shock , hit pause .
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Im not so sure Svet, the macroblocking on the 1.33:1 Criterion version is very obvious when you hit the pause button on certain scenes, even without zoom, but with 2 versions on the one disc , its no big deal . For example the Eve marie Saint close up when terry malloy confesses her brother was murdered . She put her hands to her face in shock , hit pause .
Well, I don't know about all this

When I watch my films, I don't hit the pause button on certain scenes to look for certain things. I don't know what you are seeing there, but it most definitely isn't macroblocking.

Anyhow. Have a great 4th of July, eChopper

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A bit late with this comment but ...

The movie is great as expected and the special features for the most part are more than adequate given the age of the film. The different ARs all produce a different effect on the viewer and there's a good explanation of ARs as one of the special features. However the commentary sucks. The two experts spend most of the time either arguing over arcanities or talking about something that has nothing to do with what is being shown on the screen. I wanted some insights into this film and its amazing staging and less about Kazan's career. There's plenty about Kazan already in the other features. One thing I've always wondered about is the high number of totally uncredited speaking parts in this movie often, coincidentally, by actors who are now well known. Isn't anyone with even a line of dialogue supposed to get a credit? I thought that was a Hollywood standard. Did the studio bend the rules for this film?
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One thing I've always wondered about is the high number of totally uncredited speaking parts in this movie often, coincidentally, by actors who are now well known. Isn't anyone with even a line of dialogue supposed to get a credit? I thought that was a Hollywood standard. Did the studio bend the rules for this film?
No, old Hollywood was much worse about uncredited actors. Generally, they had a stable of bit players under contract that they would use. I actually looked into the uncredited cast of On the Waterfront not too long ago. Many of the criminals are played by ex-wrestlers. If you go to page 82 & 83 of the book preview here, you'll see a list of uncredited castmembers.

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I read somewhere that the widescreen versions are misframed. Has anyone read or know about this? I read that they are zoomed in and that all four sides are cropped, not just the top and bottom.
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...Hi again Chopper

Here is the ... Report with Relative Mapping Bitrate both video and audio, of the Sony (Italian/German Release) Edition, a bit further down, at the end of the post, the comparison between the Criterion edition and the Sony Edition ...:





...SONY EDITION...




CRITERION EDITION...:BITRATE VIDEO DISC ONE FEATURE SIZE 24,329,185,520 Bytes Aspect Ratio/1.66:1-Video Bitrate 22.49 Mbps (1.66:1
DTS-HD Master Audio English 3362 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 3362 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)



...As it is deduced by the two Report Put to Comparison, the compression on the Sony Edition, is clearly smaller and managed Very better, in comparison to the BD disk Criterion.


... HERE ALSO A SCREEN-CAPS OF THE SONY EDITION , LOOKS THAT WONDER, THE THIN GRAIN ARE SPECTACULAR !!! ...:




...Here are the Direct link to view the image in detail and in full screen, without scaling...:


I saved that shot to my PS3 along with the same one from the US Criterion from DVDbeaver http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film4/blu-r...nt_blu-ray.htm

to view it on my TV and there's a pretty big difference between them. I don't know if DVDbeaver's capturing methods are wrong though.

I'm still getting the Criterion version from the B&S sale. The packaging is beautiful and i'm sure in motion it looks fine.
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