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Old 03-15-2012, 03:58 AM   #161
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But there's another good example of Pixar vs. Dreamworks:
DW being focused more on "plot premise" and gags doesn't quite understand the pathos of the Misunderstood Outcast and Everyone Telling Him He Can't.

With Remy in Ratatouille, for ex., here was a rat who was trying to explain cuisine to other rats who just culturally didn't get it...Or Wall-E, the only janitorial robot to appreciate "Hello, Dolly".
But with DW and the other third-parties, since they don't instinctively have enough sense of character to know how to make the character sympathetic, the only way they think they can make the character Misunderstood is to play up Everyone Telling Him No, and make sure we know that by making the Everyones into flat symbolic social stereotypes of insensitive jerks. (Like Derek and his wedding family from MvA, for ex., or the other social-symbol Antz.)
Unfortunately, that's still not QUITE enough to make us root for the hero just by default, and we end up stuck in an entire roomful of unlikable characters.
(Just imagine if DW had done Cars 1--The lovable eccentrics of Radiator Springs would be turned into gagged-up lunatics, and we would be supposed to root for Lightning getting out of there...)

That's probably why we keep associating Jeffrey Katzenberg so strongly with DW films:
The poor nebbish thinking "They picked on me because they can't understand me, but I'll show 'em someday!"...Yyyyeah, why do I have the feeling that would so particularly strike a chord with Katzenberg?
I'd have to think it over more before I could comment. Plus see more DW movies. For Antz, Z the ant wanted a different life that wasn't filled with mindless digging all day like all of the other ants. A life of adventure. His psychologist told him to remain insignificant and just accept it. For a character who wants to avoid the pain of a wasted life, Z had a motivation that fueled the entire movie, the need for a sense of significance, purpose, which he lived up to in the end, and I could relate to that instantly.
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Dreamworks started out on a bad foot with me. I LOATHED Shrek (I'm also not a big fan of the Toy Stories) and it's many sequels and that kind of put me off them for a long time. But they have more than redeemed themselves in the last few years with some corkers while I think Pixar have had their fair share of dud's! Cars and it's dire sequel, Ratatouille was a bit of a dud for me and Brave trailer doesn't really fill with me with joy either, so I would put Dreamworks ahead of them at the moment. When Pixar comes up with a great story, they are unbeatable, but their over leaning towards smaltz and neanderthalic humour a lot of the time leaves me cold.
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I'd have to think it over more before I could comment. Plus see more DW movies. For Antz, Z the ant wanted a different life that wasn't filled with mindless digging all day like all of the other ants. A life of adventure. His psychologist told him to remain insignificant and just accept it. For a character who wants to avoid the pain of a wasted life, Z had a motivation that fueled the entire movie, the need for a sense of significance, purpose, which he lived up to in the end, and I could relate to that instantly.
But OTOH, they tend to assume we immediately sympathize with a character just because he's A) the main character and more importantly B) he's voiced by a bankable star with an easily recognized trademark shtick.

In the first Kung Fu Panda, for ex. (haven't rented the second one, so don't know if it improves), Po comes off as a complete, incompetent and utterly irredeemable loser--Well, he's supposed to, he's "really" Jack Black.
The story makes him "misunderstood" by having the more talented, disciplined and humorless Five be so school-bully mean to him and telling him to just go home. Unfortunately, the story assumes our collective "aww" so much that we don't really know why we should disagree with them--The character got there by pure accident and is basically living a lie, for most of the first half of the story, he displays no talent of any kind, causes accidents, and defends his dream with self-embarrassing slacker jokes of "But I wanna do cool stuff!" (Yeah, and I want a date with Angelina Jolie too, but I don't get it.)
In fact, we'd really like to see more of them, but we can't because they're not the "money" stars of the film, and because the script tells us they're so mean.

Think that's the other reason Monsters hit a lucky break--Since Reese Witherspoon isn't the sitcom "star" of the movie, we get a palling-around feel for Link, BOB and the Doctor as a group of buddies.
We think of Pixar movies as being laid-back ensembles of funny characters (like the Cars, Toys, or Mike & Sully), but apart from Monsters or the later Panda, it's rare that we ever have a DW movie that creates any sense of camaraderie except for the character we're "supposed" to like because of the name-casting they spent the budget on.

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Old 03-16-2012, 02:07 AM   #164
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Finally managed to win a copy off of ebay of MVA3d in the 15.00 price range I wanted. 15.50 with 2.15 for shipping
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Old 03-17-2012, 02:06 AM   #165
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But OTOH, they tend to assume we immediately sympathize with a character just because he's A) the main character and more importantly B) he's voiced by a bankable star with an easily recognized trademark shtick.

In the first Kung Fu Panda, for ex. (haven't rented the second one, so don't know if it improves), Po comes off as a complete, incompetent and utterly irredeemable loser--Well, he's supposed to, he's "really" Jack Black.
I'm not a big Shrek fan, but I can't say I'm convinced that Dreamworks stories and characters don't have winners compared to Pixar, I really enjoyed Kung Fu Panda 1 and 2, and Antz, and hopefully MvsAliens 3D soon.

Puss n Boots 3D could've used a bit more logic in Humpty's motivation to seek the help of Puss' n Boots considering he already had the help of...
On the side of Pixar, Cars 1 was decent, but Cars 2 needed a stronger storyline. Bugs Life paled in comparison to Antz in my opinion, so it really depends on who's watching the movie and if something strikes a chord with them, or not, provided the story and characters are written for entertainment and strength of the plot.. Toy Story, I saw 1 and 2, and both were good, but it takes someone to twist my arm to see a movie about toys I would've never bothered with as a kid; not enough action figures in the movie, too many toddler toys IMO. Other than that though, great characters and plot.

ON TOPIC: Monsters Versus Aliens 3D versus Monsters Inc. If you saw both, which one did you like more and why?
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Old 03-20-2012, 03:46 AM   #166
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FINALLY managed to pick this up for a fair price the other day!!! Damn exclusives

Anyway, watched it last night and WHAT A FANTASTIC FILM! The story, the script, the homage, the parody .. all spot on.

I thought some of the 3D looked a bit flat at first, but when it kicked in properly it was lovely! Some of the best pop I have seen in a 2.35:1 movie.

Great overall.
This says all I want to say.

Ranks up there with Cloudy in terms of making me laugh.
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This says all I want to say.

Ranks up there with Cloudy in terms of making me laugh.
I can't wait for PIB next week .. the clips I have seen make me giggle ..

You are right tho with Cloudy .. terrific script!
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Guys was this samsung promo region free ? and does it play in 2D also and on a PS3, cheers
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Guys was this samsung promo region free ? and does it play in 2D also and on a PS3, cheers
I've got the Samsung version - it's region free and plays on my PS3 in 2D and 3D.
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I've got the Samsung version - it's region free and plays on my PS3 in 2D and 3D.
Thx for reply mate, can you just confirm its the USA version you have and not the UK version, as i am UK and been offered a USA version, cheers
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Purchased the UK 3D releae today. It comes with 3 discs, which includes the original BD release disc as well. As such, there were also 3D glasses in the box for the short, B.O.B's Big Break, which was on the original release.

However, the 3D disc had a few surprises. The UK 3D edition's 3D disc contains some extra content, in the form of 2 trailers and B.O.B's Big Break in BD3D form, which was quite a surprise for me. One downside which might dissapoint some, though. Sound is Dolby Digital, not a lossless codec.
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So the 3d glasses are for the dvd version of B.O.B's Big Break, or the 2D bluray version, and whats B.O.B's Big Break like in proper 3D on the 3D bluray ? cheers
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So the 3d glasses are for the dvd version of B.O.B's Big Break, or the 2D bluray version, and whats B.O.B's Big Break like in proper 3D on the 3D bluray ? cheers
The included 3D glasses are for B.O.B's Big Break on the original BD release, included in the pack. As for the BD3D presentation, it's MUCH better than the Trioscopics 3D presentation. Along with the fact that it's full colour, it means that it's free of the flaws of anaglyphic presentations. Those flaws only, though, so it doesn't count for any issues with the 3D display and glasses. Looks crosstalk-free on my passive 3DTV.
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Cheers, this was like over 20 here in the UK for the triple play, but sainsbury doing it in there 2 for 30 now, well worth it, was B.O.B's Big Break in real 3D on the samsung promotion disc being sold in there starter glasses pack ?
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Cheers, this was like over 20 here in the UK for the triple play, but sainsbury doing it in there 2 for 30 now, well worth it, was B.O.B's Big Break in real 3D on the samsung promotion disc being sold in there starter glasses pack ?
From the information I gathered, yes. The US retail 3D release doesn't contain the short, but it does have a lossless soundtrack.
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United Kingdom Monsters vs Aliens 3D (2D+3D+DVD)

I guess I can retire my 2D US release since it features the same bonus features.
I got this one for under 5 pounds from amazon.co.uk

Too bad the 3D release doesn't have Dutch audio though.



2D Blu-ray specifications
Disc size: 42.4GB
Movie size: 26.7GB
Audio: English Dolby TrueHD 5.1, Danish DD5.1, French DD5.1, Dutch DD5.1, Flemish DD5.1, Norwegian DD5.1, Swedish DD5.1 and Finnish DD5.1
Video: MPEG-4 AVC
Subtitles: Danish, English, Dutch, Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish and Flemish
Runtime: 1 hour 34 minutes and 21 seconds
Region free

Bonus Features:
Filmmakers' Commentary
The Animators' Corner (Picture in Picture)
Trivia Track
Bob's Big Break (3D HD, 13:19)
Interactive Game
Bob's Big Break (2D HD, 13:19)
Karaoke Music Party:
- Ginormica (HD, 2:04)
- B.O.B. (HD, 1:46)
- Dr. Cockroach and the Missing Link (HD, 1:42)
Deleted Scenes:
- Monger's Plan (HD, 2:56)
- War Room Turns on Monsters (HD, 1:49)
- If You Don't Know (HD, 0:40)
Modern Monster Movie Making (HD, 17:28)
The Tech of Monsters vs Aliens (HD, 6:19)
Dreamworks Animation Jukebox
- Shrek (HD, 1:17)
- Flushland Away (HD, 2:01)
- Over the Hedge (HD, 2:00)
- Madagascar (HD, 1:04)
- Kung Fu Panda (HD, 2:37)
- Bee Movie (HD, 1:25)

3D Blu-ray specifications:
Disc size: 38.6GB
Movie size: 32.7GB
Audio: English DD5.1 (640kbps), German DD5.1, Spanish DD5.1, French DD5.1, Italian DD5.1, Portuguese DD5.1, Korean DD5.1, Mandarin DD5.1
Video: MPEG-4 MVC
Subtitles: English, German, Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese, Korean and Mandarin
Runtime: 1 hour 34 minutes and 21 seconds
Region free

Bonus Features:
Bob's Big Break 3D 16:9 (HD, 13:21)
How to Train Your Dragon 3D (HD, 2:23)
Shrek 4 3D (HD, 1:13)

Also included are two red/green 3D glasses, useless if you ask me
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Amazon UK says this is region B.
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Earlier this year I saw a used copy for $14, but it was the TV demo disc from Samsung (?).

I'm holding out for the normal 3D release with extras, but they aren't very common or particularly cheap.
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Amazon UK says this is region B.
They said that maybe because of the DVD that is included. I bought it myself and can confirm the blu-rays work perfectly fine on my PS4. They want over $30 new here in Canada but I can ship it from across the ocean for about $10
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They said that maybe because of the DVD that is included. I bought it myself and can confirm the blu-rays work perfectly fine on my PS4. They want over $30 new here in Canada but I can ship it from across the ocean for about $10
Great, thanks! I'll order it.
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