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Old 08-10-2013, 12:27 PM   #1801
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Well, haven't seen it yet, but wanna have lunch sometime?
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Old 08-10-2013, 02:11 PM   #1802
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LOL I finally talk myself into seeing this and it's gone from local theatres, that's summer movie season for you.
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Old 08-10-2013, 03:11 PM   #1803
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Where is this yet to open? Does it have a chance at recouping its budget?
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Old 08-10-2013, 04:36 PM   #1804
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In person. A lot of times, these "flops" don't perform badly because they're bad movies, they underperform because no one goes to see them in the first place. Fantasia, Bambi, Alice in Wonderland, and Sleeping Beauty didn't underperform because people hated them, they underperformed relative to their cost, and not enough people cared to see them initially.

Sure, every once in a while you'll get a Howard the Duck - an expensive turkey nobody likes - but no one I've spoken to in person about The Lone Ranger hates it. They're quite positive about it, actually.
That is actually very interesting. I think I kind of see what you're talking about. I've noticed that there are people on the internet, who have seen the movie who liked it after seeing it. Then there are those on the internet who hated it after seeing it. It's almost like 50/50 for this Lone Ranger movie. Half the people I read comments from about this movie liked it and the other half hated it.

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Old 08-12-2013, 08:55 PM   #1805
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I posted this over in the thread for Lone Ranger release date but it's more appropriate here I think:

Okay, so everyone throws John Carter under the bus, and frankly I've not made it more than 30 minutes into the movie, but the media claims it as a box office flop when in fact it took in nearly $283 million worldwide on a budget of $250 million. Granted marketing costs are extra but studios tend not to release such cost figures and are not a part of the production budget. Critical flop? Maybe. Break even? More likely.

In the case of The Lone Ranger its worldwide box office is now over $196 million versus a budget of $215 million, not quite there, but quite close. I've seen it, I really liked it. Most of the people I know who went to see it thought the same. At the end of the movie the audience surprisingly actually clapped, maybe because there were older, more "knowledgable" LR fans in attendance, who knows, people in my area rarely ever clap at the movies.

Actually, on a small tangent of that subject, it seems like people are afraid to even laugh or enjoy themselves nowadays at the movies. Maybe they're too stressed about all the texts & Facebook updates they're missing on their must-not-view mobile devices in-theater. All they can do is LOL.

And the old-Tonto haters, and those who say the movie was full of plot holes......I think perhaps you're missing the point......it's a play on the (fake) fact that The Lone Ranger is more mythical than factual, and it's a recollection of a 100(+?) year old man with some tongue firmly planted in cheek humor about what "really" happened. As you get the humor the moviemakers are going for, by at least half way through the movie, CLEARLY it's an embellishment on a "real" wild west story that may have been told through the ages, and also clearly a sly take on the movie Little Big Man with Dustin Hoffman (which also takes criticism but watch it, you'll enjoy it, and maybe then you'll also "get" The Lone Ranger). Another Depp movie, Dark Shadows (big fan of the short-lived 1991 revival show), left me feeling odd after coming out of the theater. I didn't know what they were going for, how to take it, what to expect. Another marketing nightmare like LR. After I watched it at home again on blu-ray I really liked it. I knew what to expect. I got the sense of humor that was being offered. Doesn't happen often but then again I hated The Big Lebowski when I first saw it. Only "got it" and now really appreciate it upon subsequent viewing.

Subtlety seems to be mostly lost on moviegoing audiences who are willing to spend a billion dollars for a theatrical run viewing. Loud, CGI spectacles are now the norm, small films make no money but get all the awards, and the world has a place and an appreciative audience for both (just not financially). I can love Iron Man 3 and I can love Salmon Fishing in the Yemen.

The movies we end up nostalgically holding to our hearts are the ones that illicit emotional reactions: fear in horror, love in romcoms, loss in tragedies, building tension in explosive action. If a flickering picture on a movie screen can make you feel something and explore your own self, make you look in at your self, then that's art. Lethal Weapon is a CLASSIC actioner but Riggs is so distraught that he puts a gun in his mouth near the beginning of the movie, and works under a death wish.....you FEEL for that character, his pain, his loss. And these characters can get hurt, just like you and me. They have depth.

Does The Lone Ranger have depth? Certainly. There is loss, there is heartache, there is unrequited love, there is honor and friendship and sacrifice. What would Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings and Hobbit movies be without ANY of that? Soulless celuloid. Or is that now soulless 1's and 0's? LR certainly illicits emotion in its finale with the reworking of the William Tell Overture against an action background. BELIEVABLE events? I say nay, but embellished events told by a hundred year old man with a penchant for oddness and humor, yes, entertaining and exciting. I felt GOOD coming out of this film. I can't say that very often lately.
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Box office failure? Well, yes, most definitely. A Big one, unfortunately for Disney, and about in the same vein as what John Carter did.

See, TLR made $196m worldwide, for a budget of $215m.
It would be "almost" fine, -IF- Disney was getting every cent of the WW gross, but that is not the case.

In the US, a studio sees between 50 and 80% of the gross per theater (it depends on the movie, and it changes over time in the release "shelf life" of a movie. The first week is front loaded for the studio, and as it goes the Theater's share increases. Rarely, for some very big releases (think IM3/ Avengers / TDKR and in the future Avatar 2, SW 7 and Avengers 2) it has sometimes been in the order of 10% theater share first week, due to studios strong arming theaters.

Now for Foreign countries, the story is different. The Studio is lucky to get 30-40% back (for China was even under 20%, revised by contract recently, but it's being disputed). It is all quite Nebulous and it's almost impossible to really tell what a movie makes - it's generally put under the term "Hollywood accounting" (I advise you read about it, it's facinating to see the lengths studios will go to not pay % on net benefits or taxes). In general, for simplification, between the higher domestic take, and the lower one in foreign markets, the 50% rule is applicable.

AKA, take the WW gross, divide by half, and that's what the Studio might be taking home.
So, for the Lone Ranger, that would be $98m. On a Budget of $215m.
Not only is Disney not making any money on this, they are actually losing more than $100m, which is exactly what Disney themselves told their shareholders to prepare for right after the July 4th opening which was much lower than expected.
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Old 08-12-2013, 11:50 PM   #1807
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Thanks for the movie biz accounting info, good to know, and I've heard of studios working numbers on seemingly highly successful movies and saying they didn't make any money. No doubt Avengers netted "zero" dollars, lol.
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Thanks for the movie biz accounting info, good to know, and I've heard of studios working numbers on seemingly highly successful movies and saying they didn't make any money. No doubt Avengers netted "zero" dollars, lol.
Aye. The mot stunning recently was seeing the accounting report leaked online for Harry Potter 5. It put out in the open some of the tricks studios use to not pay dividends on profits. Somehow, every movie (even the very successful) end up making no profit or even losing money.

http://www.slashfilm.com/insane-stud...f-the-phoenix/

http://www.techdirt.com/blog/?tag=hollywood+accounting

For Lone Ranger, unfortunately for Disney and the fans, it will be no trick though :/
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REVIEW is up for this "ok" enough movie. It tried too hard too often, but didn't Suck as much as one may have been lead to believe. Did I love it, NO. Did I hate it, NO again. Was it ok or decent in parts, & enjoyable enough, sure. It did have its moments (some very nice action sequences, a few funny laughs also). I'll get it when the price is Low & maybe it'll grow a bit on me. Maybe...

- Kind of surprised it didn't get a Perfect 5/5 for PQ, as usually most Disney films (Live Action or animated), normally get 5/5 for PQ & AQ

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I thought this could've been good after some editing
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I thought this could've been good after some editing
Yea, that was brought up pretty much by every reviewer (official ones), & most people here who saw the movie. Take out 20-30 mins at least, & it's prob much more well-received/does better at the box office. (just $350M WORLDWIDE on a $250M budget: $90M U.S. [ ], & only $260M overseas).
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Old 12-12-2013, 08:58 AM   #1812
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Might pick up the digital copy and give the movie another go and see if I can look past all the bad

Don't think its going to enter the collection though
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Old 12-12-2013, 12:35 PM   #1813
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I'm also a bit surprised this didn't get full marks for PQ. I got the blu last week and it's got the best PQ of the year, right up there with Oblivion.
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I went in with pretty low expectations, but I still had hope that the buzz was unwarranted and that it would be fun. It's bad. It's boring. It's overlong. Not one bit of attempted humor works. Depp's Tonto is awful (and I am a huge Depp fan).

I may write a full review later, but for now I'll just say that yes, it was THAT bad. 2/5
Okay, so I got a Vudu code from someone when the blu came out and just decided to rewatch it tonight - the first time since I saw it opening night.

I have to say, I think I was too harsh. I don't know if it was the mood I was in, or expectations, or what, but I came back here to admit publicly that I was wrong. It's not THAT bad. I don't think I'd even call it bad. It has its flaws - MANY of them - but overall it's an okay movie with enough good to offset the bad. I'd bump my rating up to 3/5.
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Okay, so I got a Vudu code from someone when the blu came out and just decided to rewatch it tonight - the first time since I saw it opening night.

I have to say, I think I was too harsh. I don't know if it was the mood I was in, or expectations, or what, but I came back here to admit publicly that I was wrong. It's not THAT bad. I don't think I'd even call it bad. It has its flaws - MANY of them - but overall it's an okay movie with enough good to offset the bad. I'd bump my rating up to 3/5.
I think I gave it a 3/5 as well, so...yeah...(clicks on the votes), yeah I did vote in a 3/5, and I thought it was good, but it did needed to be trimmed down a bit...I enjoyed it nonetheless...the New Mexico landscape was gorgeous!
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Watched this last week and it wasn't nearly as bad as I was expecting.
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Starting to get the tempered reactions now so I think I may actually see this.

I wanted to see it and were it not for the HORRIBLE reviews and my sched I would have anyways. Having missed the boat in theatres I would usually just blind buy something like this but not when people were slagging it to the point I couldn't justify it.
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