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Old 07-23-2013, 08:21 PM   #521
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tell that to the general audience that is why 3D sales is going a little down. People expect 3D like Residen Evil or Avatar. When watching a 3D movie it should FEEL like you are watching one. People don't buy 3D tickets for only depth they buy it because they wanna have things flying at them.

The studios need to realize this. People want pop out and depth not just depth
I agree with this 100% I just watched Toy Story 3 last weekend and while the depth was nice and all and picture was freakin beautiful It didn't really do anything for me in 3D.. I'd much rather sit through the 2D version of a movie if all the 3D version has to offer is depth. Resident Evil and Beowulf have been my favorite 3D films so far because they have a mixture of both which is what all 3D movies should have...Call it stupid or gimmicky or whatever but imho pop outs make the 3D experience an actual experience
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Old 07-23-2013, 08:35 PM   #522
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tell that to the general audience that is why 3D sales is going a little down. People expect 3D like Residen Evil or Avatar. When watching a 3D movie it should FEEL like you are watching one. People don't buy 3D tickets for only depth they buy it because they wanna have things flying at them.

The studios need to realize this. People want pop out and depth not just depth
You're speculating and making several general assumptions about the 3D audience that, unless you're conducting audience surveys, you simply can't objectively substantiate. For instance, you can't say definitively that 3D grosses are declining (if that's even happening) because of the kind of 3D experiences filmmakers are offering versus, say, the premium pricing many exhibitors are tacking on to 3D tickets.

From recent posts in this thread alone, it is obvious that different people lionize different kinds of 3D experiences. That's of course fine. IMO it becomes problematic when you take the additional step of arguing that what you personally prefer is "better" and that "studios need to realize this." No. Filmmakers should have 3D available as yet another storytelling arrow in their quiver to use as they see fit. If you don't like that particular filmmaker's 3D choices, then you don't need to see their film(s). But arguing that their use of 3D is less than favorable because it didn't meet your "pop out" standards is not only silly but it trivializes the medium.
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Old 07-23-2013, 08:57 PM   #523
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IMO it becomes problematic when you take the additional step of arguing that what you personally prefer is "better
Yes it definitely can become problematic.

IMO, it's important that studios get feedback about "particular filmmaker's 3D choices". Don't see how opinions about "pop out" standards is "silly" or "trivializes the medium", but I can understand how it would be correct not to assume it is better for everyone.
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Old 07-23-2013, 11:02 PM   #524
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I agree with this 100% I just watched Toy Story 3 last weekend and while the depth was nice and all and picture was freakin beautiful It didn't really do anything for me in 3D.. I'd much rather sit through the 2D version of a movie if all the 3D version has to offer is depth. Resident Evil and Beowulf have been my favorite 3D films so far because they have a mixture of both which is what all 3D movies should have...Call it stupid or gimmicky or whatever but imho pop outs make the 3D experience an actual experience
exactly.
People want pop outs if its only depth they might as well just watch the 2D version. This is why sales are down for 3D even Cameron noted this. 3D movies should look 3D and that is pop outs it alsways has been since the 50's when it first was introduced. Now in stereophonic 3D to have things flying against you look impressive. People wanna see that. depth is overrated. If you ask general audience they say 3D should be things coming at you.

So if they put both pop outs and depth then ALL the people will get something. Those that like pop outs and depth. The studios need to realize they need to add both. Then audience will watch more 3D again because they want Avatar,Resident Evil

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Old 07-24-2013, 12:33 AM   #525
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exactly.
People want pop outs if its only depth they might as well just watch the 2D version. This is why sales are down for 3D even Cameron noted this. 3D movies should look 3D and that is pop outs it alsways has been since the 50's when it first was introduced. Now in stereophonic 3D to have things flying against you look impressive. People wanna see that. depth is overrated. If you ask general audience they say 3D should be things coming at you.

So if they put both pop outs and depth then ALL the people will get something. Those that like pop outs and depth. The studios need to realize they need to add both. Then audience will watch more 3D again because they want Avatar,Resident Evil
It's a somewhat known that the people at Disney in charge of 3D for these movies have stated long ago that they won't use 3D as a gimmick - but will only use it as a storytelling tool. They blame the old 3D movies for a loss of interest in the medium by using too many distracting gimmicks, etc.

But I also would point those people to James Cameron's recent statements and fire all of them for failing to use the medium properly. And for failing to take advantage of the AWESOME catalog they already had to render in 3D. They had some of the best animated titles of all time and dropped the ball
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Old 07-24-2013, 03:43 AM   #526
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It's a somewhat known that the people at Disney in charge of 3D for these movies have stated long ago that they won't use 3D as a gimmick - but will only use it as a storytelling tool. They blame the old 3D movies for a loss of interest in the medium by using too many distracting gimmicks, etc.

But I also would point those people to James Cameron's recent statements and fire all of them for failing to use the medium properly. And for failing to take advantage of the AWESOME catalog they already had to render in 3D. They had some of the best animated titles of all time and dropped the ball
I have liked some of Disneys conversions, especially Beauty and the Beast and The Lion King were especially well done.

Whilst I do love a good pop out, great layering will do it for me as well, so i really like a mix of these things.
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I have liked some of Disneys conversions, especially Beauty and the Beast and The Lion King were especially well done.

Whilst I do love a good pop out, great layering will do it for me as well, so i really like a mix of these things.
Yeah I liked those two as well. And Meet the Robinsons

But the Toy Story Trilogy, Up! 3D, and others have been a let down. Seems hit or miss and very inconsistent - much like the impact of their 3D storyboarding

I love Disney, don't get me wrong, but as a fan I expect more from them. They should take a page out of Dreamworks 3D which is consistent, very tasteful and not overly gimmicky (well that depends on the movie - some of them like Madagascar 3 call for it ) and they leave little doubt of the impact of the overall 3D treatment/enhancement

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Old 01-03-2014, 08:53 AM   #528
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i hope the dude dont think his generalization speaks for all, me for all has a full range home theater set up for 3d ,and everyone around me include my friends, wife and my self hates gimmick 3d effects where they force the thing to pop up, it ruin the whole movie experience for the sake of pop up, bad direction of composition of the shot, films like avatar and hobbit are awesome, its the season why we all love the 3d version add depth to the already great films making it more immerse for viewer than annoys the hell of the viewer with gimmick lol... just my two cent..
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I'm in the depth camp as well. Pop outs are fun on kids movies and occasionally like the coins in the hobbit, but I much prefer the "picture window" 3D.
Audiences just want to see good movies. Look at DoS, almost all depth and killing it at the box office.
As soon as you start generalizing and saying "all this" or "all that" or "this is clearly better" etc on things that are opinion based you no longer get to be taken seriously.
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I just picked this up new on amazon.ca for $6.27.
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I just picked this up new on amazon.ca for $6.27.
The cheapest 3rd party right now is $77.04. How did you get it for $6? I hope they honor it for you
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The cheapest 3rd party right now is $77.04. How did you get it for $6? I hope they honor it for you
I have no idea. It was being sold through a third party for 95% off and fulfilled by amazon. There were only six copies available when I ordered mine and within about an hour and a half they were gone. I'm curious to see what I end up getting.
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