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Old 03-29-2014, 03:41 PM   #1661
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He's looking up through the glass top of the elevator as he leaves the building.
Nope, stars don't move that way just by looking at the sky even on a lift, that was the classic "warp tunnel" you can see in old Star Trek and other scifi with the stars changing perspective to show the ship is currently in FTL travel (as that would be impossible to notice at sublight speed), and the way the lift is positioned wouldn' let to see the sky anyway, then it cuts to Batty inside the lift but that was him remembering.

That or they have some sort of screensaver on the ceiling of their lifts at Tyrell corporation, who knows?
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Nope, stars don't move that way just by looking at the sky even on a lift, that was the classic "warp tunnel" you can see in old Star Trek and other scifi with the stars changing perspective to show the ship is currently in FTL travel (as that would be impossible to notice at sublight speed), and the way the lift is positioned wouldn' let to see the sky anyway, then it cuts to Batty inside the lift but that was him remembering.

That or they have some sort of screensaver on the ceiling of their lifts at Tyrell corporation, who knows?
Not stars. Rain.

You're overthinking it. He's shown looking up. We see what he sees. Then it cuts back to him turning his head down again.
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Not stars. Rain.

You're overthinking it. He's shown looking up. We see what he sees. Then it cuts back to him turning his head down again.
Doesn't look like rain to me, I think raindrops would hit the glass if he was able to see it from the ceiling and that doesn't happen, not only that but the rain seems to be left behind, that must be a really fast lift.

We see what he sees but that doesn't mean that what he sees is "real".
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Fast lift, or rain gets caught in updrafts, which happens.

There is more to it on a thematic level, but not the way you're suggesting... it's referencing Batty's fall from grace, sort of a "fallen angel" motif, IMO.
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Fast lift, or rain gets caught in updrafts, which happens.

There is more to it on a thematic level, but not the way you're suggesting... it's referencing Batty's fall from grace, sort of a "fallen angel" motif, IMO.
I actually thought he was taking the Tyrell's suggestion of revelling in the memories he had (though perhaps unconsciously), which tied in nicely with his tears in the rain speech IMHO, it might also be a bit of both.

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Because of this thread, and all the discussion about voice over vs no voice over, I just watched the theatrical and the Final Cut back to back.

Here's my two cents;

As a newbie to all things BR, with no bias or childhood memories to tie me to one over the other, I feel the movie works both ways. That said, if a film works without a voiceover/narration, isn't it best to go without?

I always assumed a voiceover was a crutch, or handicap, to help push along a story if needed (Carlitos Way). So of course a voiceover in BR works. I bet a voiceover would work in The Shining (they could have had lil Danny Torrence narrate a voiceover throughout The Shining). The question would still be, "Is it needed?"

Ask that question of any movie.
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