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Old 08-28-2014, 02:09 PM   #721
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So I'm confused. Michael Reuben's August 2013 review said, "The consensus among those familiar with Warner's prior Blu-ray of The Fugitive seems to be that the same transfer has been used for this 1080p, AVC-encoded 20th Anniversary version." He gave the video transfer 4 stars. However, Martin Liebman's review of the prior Blu-ray said "Warner Brothers presents The Fugitive on Blu-ray in a high-definition, MPEG-2 encoded, 1.85:1 framed transfer that's mostly abysmal." He gave it 2 stars.

So is the 20th anniversary edition an improvement or not in terms of video quality?
I was confused as well but I believe Mr. Reuben is incorrect. Glancing at the screenshots, the only one that shows the same shot is of Ford running from the train and you can clearly tell the old version is washed out color-wise compared to the re-release. Doesn't seem like the exact same transfer to me but I don't have the original Blu to compare.
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So I'm confused. Michael Reuben's August 2013 review said, "The consensus among those familiar with Warner's prior Blu-ray of The Fugitive seems to be that the same transfer has been used for this 1080p, AVC-encoded 20th Anniversary version." He gave the video transfer 4 stars. However, Martin Liebman's review of the prior Blu-ray said "Warner Brothers presents The Fugitive on Blu-ray in a high-definition, MPEG-2 encoded, 1.85:1 framed transfer that's mostly abysmal." He gave it 2 stars.

So is the 20th anniversary edition an improvement or not in terms of video quality?
a big improvement over the original ones. no jaggies, smoother picture, more detail, it trumps it hands down
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So I'm confused. Michael Reuben's August 2013 review said, "The consensus among those familiar with Warner's prior Blu-ray of The Fugitive seems to be that the same transfer has been used for this 1080p, AVC-encoded 20th Anniversary version." He gave the video transfer 4 stars. However, Martin Liebman's review of the prior Blu-ray said "Warner Brothers presents The Fugitive on Blu-ray in a high-definition, MPEG-2 encoded, 1.85:1 framed transfer that's mostly abysmal." He gave it 2 stars.

So is the 20th anniversary edition an improvement or not in terms of video quality?
Like Worm said : "a big improvement". Not only has all video transfer equipment gotten better over time, so has the experience of industry tecnicians. And you might've noted that the video codec used improved from MPEG-2 to MPEG-4 AVC. In addition, the sound went from lossy to lossless (Dolby Digital 5.1 to DTS-HD MA 5.1. So, all around better presentation, just not a new transfer.
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Old 08-28-2014, 09:12 PM   #724
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It's not a full blown 4k remaster, which would be nice, but it's an improved encode of the old master. I would expect the same from Warner's other coming re-releases like Gremlins and Interview with a Vampire.
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Old 08-28-2014, 09:17 PM   #725
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It's not a full blown 4k remaster, which would be nice, but it's an improved encode of the old master. I would expect the same from Warner's other coming re-releases like Gremlins and Interview with a Vampire.
I wouldn't expect that. They advertised The Fugitive as being newly remastered, they haven't with those other movies. Interview wil get an audio upgrade at least. Gremlins could possibly switch from VC-1 to AVC but I don't see them actually remastering it. I'd love to be wrong on that though.

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Old 08-28-2014, 09:22 PM   #726
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It's not a full blown 4k remaster, which would be nice, but it's an improved encode of the old master. I would expect the same from Warner's other coming re-releases like Gremlins and Interview with a Vampire.
Also, I remember someone saying the original, dreadful Fugitive BD, though obviously presented in 1080p on the disc, was not from a native 1080p source. It certainly looked it, VERY pixely, not much better than a DVD.

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Old 08-28-2014, 09:26 PM   #727
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Also, I remember someone saying the original, dreadful Fugitive BD, thoguh obviously presented in 1080p on the disc, was not from a native 1080p source. It certainly looked it, VERY pixely, not much better than a DVD.
The original was from a 1440x1080i source, which Warner enlarged to 1920x1080 very poorly.
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You mean they just took it from a 4:3 source and cropped the black bars off. What the hell were they thinking? Were they crazy or something?
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So, all around better presentation, just not a new transfer.
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It's not a full blown 4k remaster, which would be nice, but it's an improved encode of the old master.
It's definitely a new scan of some 35mm source, not simply a new encode of an old video master. The framing is clearly different as you can see here.
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You mean they just took it from a 4:3 source and cropped the black bars off. What the hell were they thinking? Were they crazy or something?
No, the old 1440 x 1080i video format had non-square pixels, so it was still 16:9.
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No, the old 1440 x 1080i video format had non-square pixels, so it was still 16:9.
Okay. Thanks for explaining that. All I knew was 1440 x 1080 = 4:3. I guess I don't know jacks--- about that stuff.
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Yes, the original Fugitive BD (along with the original BD's for Lethal Weapon 2 and Enter the Dragon) was not true 1080p, and the limited resolution created stationary "columns" in the image, through which the action moved, creating horrible jagged artifacts, particularly on diagonal planes. The new Fugitive BD is indeed a completely new master, and a much-needed improvement.

If indeed "the consensus among those familiar with Warner's prior Blu-ray of The Fugitive" is that it shares the same transfer (or even a variation of the same transfer) as the 20th Anniversary Edition, then that consensus is completely wrong.
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Old 08-30-2014, 02:24 PM   #734
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Thanks to everyone for providing some clarification. I really appreciate it.
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Old 08-30-2014, 04:18 PM   #735
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So I'm confused. Michael Reuben's August 2013 review said, "The consensus among those familiar with Warner's prior Blu-ray of The Fugitive seems to be that the same transfer has been used for this 1080p, AVC-encoded 20th Anniversary version." He gave the video transfer 4 stars.
No, I gave the video presentation 4 stars. A so-called "transfer" -- which is apparently a term I will have to stop using in reviews -- is only one element of what goes into the image that eventually makes it to your display screen. A lot of things have to happen to a "transfer" (more, accurately, a data harvest) before it can become a Blu-ray. Especially these days, where so many "transfers" begin with original camera negatives, the data captured from those scans doesn't even have accurate color information, because color timing isn't done on the OCN.

If the posts above demonstrate anything, it's that people frequently can't agree on whether a remastered Blu-ray does or does not come from a new "transfer". You can find the same disagreement in almost every thread about a remastered disc.

With the 20th Ann. Fugitive, however, there is almost no disagreement that the disc is a huge improvement, whatever the cause.
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