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Old 05-18-2014, 04:55 PM   #181
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Just bought this from a member here and am waiting for it to arrive. I skimmed through the review and it contains 3 versions? For a first viewing, which is recommended to watch?
It's the same cut, just 3 different aspect ratios. I'd go for 1.66:1 personally.
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Old 06-04-2014, 11:47 AM   #182
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Just watching this transfer for the first time, and the b&w palette is beautifully broad, and the clarity and depth of detail are lovely indeed ...

but what's the story with the grain?

To clarify, I'm not anti-grain by any means. But this seems a little excessive, especially for a transfer that came from the original camera negative. I find it hard to believe that an early-generation print would ever have looked quite this speckled, so why does this transfer? (I do wonder if the BD encoding software is sometimes as unkind to grain as it often is to matted-in graphics. The grain often looks a wee bit exaggerated to me — it's slight, but noticeable.) It's not a major issue, of course, but I'm curious about this aspect of a transfer.

I'd appreciating hearing any thoughts.
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Old 06-04-2014, 12:52 PM   #183
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Just watching this transfer for the first time, and the b&w palette is beautifully broad, and the clarity and depth of detail are lovely indeed ...

but what's the story with the grain?

To clarify, I'm not anti-grain by any means. But this seems a little excessive, especially for a transfer that came from the original camera negative. I find it hard to believe that an early-generation print would ever have looked quite this speckled, so why does this transfer? (I do wonder if the BD encoding software is sometimes as unkind to grain as it often is to matted-in graphics. The grain often looks a wee bit exaggerated to me it's slight, but noticeable.) It's not a major issue, of course, but I'm curious about this aspect of a transfer.

I'd appreciating hearing any thoughts.
I think it's just how it's supposed to look. On the last page, some screenshot comparisons were posted with Sony's European BD release which has better encoding than Criterion's disc. Still seems equally grainy.
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Old 06-04-2014, 02:12 PM   #184
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Yes, I see that the grain pattern is pretty much the same. But wouldn't that be because it's from the same transfer?
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Old 06-04-2014, 02:28 PM   #185
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Yes, I see that the grain pattern is pretty much the same. But wouldn't that be because it's from the same transfer?
Yes. From your previous post it sounded to me like you were wondering whether the encoding was responsible for a noisy image. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Old 06-04-2014, 03:05 PM   #186
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The Sony european compression was better . Some of the criterion shots look like parquetry flooring

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/screen...36&position=23

anyway , they've not DNR'd this which is a good thing
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Old 06-04-2014, 04:46 PM   #187
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Yes. From your previous post it sounded to me like you were wondering whether the encoding was responsible for a noisy image. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Nothing to apologise for, Rizor. I'm just trying to work out what results in this effect, and I guess I was musing out loud in my last post. I'm sorry myself if it sounded like I was dismissing what you had said, when in fact I appreciated your replies.
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There is a Swedish edition available, will I regret purchasing said version gentlemen ?
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Picture quality wise no, overall yes.
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Just watching this transfer for the first time, and the b&w palette is beautifully broad, and the clarity and depth of detail are lovely indeed ...

but what's the story with the grain?

To clarify, I'm not anti-grain by any means. But this seems a little excessive, especially for a transfer that came from the original camera negative. I find it hard to believe that an early-generation print would ever have looked quite this speckled, so why does this transfer? (I do wonder if the BD encoding software is sometimes as unkind to grain as it often is to matted-in graphics. The grain often looks a wee bit exaggerated to me it's slight, but noticeable.) It's not a major issue, of course, but I'm curious about this aspect of a transfer.

I'd appreciating hearing any thoughts.
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I've never seen a copy of this movie without bent corners. Do those exist?
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I've never seen a copy of this movie without bent corners. Do those exist?
Oh my God. I thought this was just me.
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Just watching this transfer for the first time, and the b&w palette is beautifully broad, and the clarity and depth of detail are lovely indeed ...

but what's the story with the grain?

To clarify, I'm not anti-grain by any means. But this seems a little excessive, especially for a transfer that came from the original camera negative. I find it hard to believe that an early-generation print would ever have looked quite this speckled, so why does this transfer? (I do wonder if the BD encoding software is sometimes as unkind to grain as it often is to matted-in graphics. The grain often looks a wee bit exaggerated to me — it's slight, but noticeable.) It's not a major issue, of course, but I'm curious about this aspect of a transfer.

I'd appreciating hearing any thoughts.
Grain makes up the image. Fast stocks or low light shooting adds more grain, as does pushing the film during exposure. It has nothing to do with it coming from the camera negative, because it's on the negative itself.
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Mine is mint.
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Mine is mint.
Mine too, although I'll be double-checking now when I get home.
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Old 04-22-2015, 06:18 PM   #197
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Grain makes up the image. Fast stocks or low light shooting adds more grain, as does pushing the film during exposure. It has nothing to do with it coming from the camera negative, because it's on the negative itself.
I understood what grain is and where it comes from. In retrospect I could have worded my original post better, but my point was that I was surprised the level of grain seems so high. My reference to the camera negative was an acknowledgement of the fact that later generations of copies typically show higher grain, because they've picked up the grain visually from the previous generations they were duped from.
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I understood what grain is and where it comes from. In retrospect I could have worded my original post better, but my point was that I was surprised the level of grain seems so high. My reference to the camera negative was an acknowledgement of the fact that later generations of copies typically show higher grain, because they've picked up the grain visually from the previous generations they were duped from.
Sort of. Later generations show accumulations of grain, but since copies lose fine detail, it also loses fine grain (and thus grain becomes bigger and less "sharp" in a sense). So you're seeing fine grain, which - because it's sharper - can be more noticeable. And again, it also depends on what film/speed of film was used, how much natural lighting was used, etc, while filming.
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Actually, Criterion released an entire film strictly devoted to this one topic; in fact, it's even on blu-ray, and I highly recommend it.
I think it's called The Secret of the Grain.
definitely worth checking out if one is interested in a real "behind the scenes look" at mystical qualities of film stock and how the "secret" world of film grain holds and binds the images of the 35mm film universe together.
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