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Guys I'm really struggling with making a decision on getting a new TV. I see both advantages and disadvantages to LED and pasmas. I've read up on just about every model there is but I just can't decide!!
I understand all the advantages that plasmas have like black levels, video processing, off angle viewing, etc. But to me, after spending countless hours in the stores comparing the two, LED has a more dynamic picture thats more...visually arresting I guess you could say. Its a brighter, sharper, higher detailed image to my eyes, Plus I game...a LOT and I would certainly be concerned about IR/Burn in with a plasma. I'm still not ruling out plasma but I honestly dont see what the fuss is. And that is even after watching a 55" VT50 set on THX Cinema in a dark room (did that today) and according to the experts this is the cream of the crop of plasma right now! They had a Samsung 65" UN65E8000 on display that I really liked. I thought it looked gorgeous but maybe I'm blind because the so called "experts" say its not that good. Has anyone here had any experience with this set and if so, what are your impressions?
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The new wave is OLED. It will still be expensive for a while; but test your patience. Even if you don't get one, LED technology is going to go down in price. Sony has a big edge in dependability over Samsung, as beautiful as Samsung can be. Check your need for reliability. The big thing is, take your time. Don't listen to salespeople; look at the set, the price, and the warranty. You'll know when it's time, and waiting a couple of months may be a good idea. Prices will be set for another drop in spring and summer. |
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2. OLED IS the future, but I wouldn't expect to see affordable sets for 5+ years (so the near future it's pretty much moot) 3. and Sony only has a 1% lower failure rate than Samsung... |
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You cannot evaluate TVs in a typical electronics store. They're all in store blast mode and have the brightness and contrast turned way up. Psychologically, when you see a set in that mode and a properly calibrated set at the same time, you'll choose the set with the inferior picture just because it's brighter.
Do yourself a favor a find a showroom where they calibrate the TVs properly, then compare. Generally, a plasma set will have less dynamic range, but it will have more accurate color and look more like "film". I was sure I was going to buy plasma, but in the end I went LCD when I saw what a calibrated LCD could look like. But to this day, the best TV picture I've ever seen on a consumer set was the old Pioneer Kuro, which are no longer being made. (And those were plasmas). If you watch a lot of movies, consider plasma. If you watch more TV and especially sports, you'll probably want LCD.
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Things must have improved. When I bought my Sony, they were under 1%, and Samsung, almost 3%. I'm not saying Samsung makes a bad television - they don't - but while I might gamble on which restaurant to go to, I don't gamble with big money. |
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as for OLED's... we'll see. I just personally don't expect to see 50 inchers in the $1500 and under price range for YEARS as for failure rates. right now sony is at 5% failure rate and Samsung is 6%.... I agree, back in the day sony was THE name for quality electronics, now they're only about AS good as the Korean mfg's and sometimes worse quality (picture wise) |
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No, it's not a bad investment. I will not say it's a good investment. Panasonic's "rising blacks" have never sat well with me, and I don't know if they're really over it yet. I'd rather wait and get a prime LED or OLED, if it's all the same. I don't know where you're getting your statistics, but a manufacturer of high end electronics with a 5-6% failure rate is not going to be in business for another week. No one can handle that kind of return/repair rate - not the manufacturer, the shipper, the dealer, nobody. I don't care if they're throwing in free 3D glasses, a bottle of spray cleaner, and a lap dance. It just doesn't happen. Check those numbers, I think you read it wrong... |
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as follows Panasonic 2% Sanyo 2% Sylvania 2% Sony 3% JVC 3% Visio 3% Sharp 3% Emerson 3% LG 3% Insignia 4% Toshiba 4% Magnavox 4% Philips 4% Viewsonic 4% Samsung 4% Westinghous 8% Polaroid 10 % Mitsubishi 12% these were the combined stats between 2007-2011 Last edited by wormraper; 02-03-2013 at 02:53 AM. |
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I've bought a plasma twice--a Vizio 6 or so years ago, and a Panasonic 55" UT50 a few weeks ago. I returned both for the same reasons--buzzing and IR issues.
Both buzzed enough in bright scenes I could hear it over dialogue and it drove me nuts. Both times I had a tech come out to try to quiet them down, but it didn't help. I just think I'm very sensitive to hearing buzzing and very annoyed by it. I also had issues with IR as I watch a lot of ESPN and do a lot of gaming. So Plasmas just aren't for me. I do like the PQ of plasmas a bit better with the better blacks and better handling of motion. But I'm not a videophile and those aren't enough for me to live with the buzzing I hear or to alter my usage habits to limit IR. I'll take a slightly lesser picture for silence and being able to watch ESPN all day or game for hours on end with no IR worries. |
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OLED's doesn't appeal to me at all! I wouldn't pay $500.00 for one, regardless how great they look because they are extremely too thin, light and delicate for my taste. A regular blu-ray case is thicker than an OLED! I like HDTVs with thick, strong constructed front panels and back covers. A 10 year old boy can lift one by himself. They only weigh 16 Lbs! For $10,000.00, the companies should have manufactured the OLED's more durable then what they are, especially for what they cost.
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But I do think I'm pretty sensitive to buzzing so I think it's more that they probably all just buzz more than I can tolerate. I will note on the UT50 I just sent back my girlfriend commented on how loud the white and gray slides where when running them during the break in. Those you could hear in the next room. But she didn't notice it during bright scenes in movies/shows like I did--though she could hear it during commercials with white screens and little audio. But yeah, buzzing is just something that some hear and get annoyed by easily and others don't. It's a deal breaker for me. And even if it wasn't I'd never go plasma again as I want the peace of mind to do stuff like leave it on ESPN all day today up until the game, or play a new game several hours a night when I get it etc. without worry about IR. Plasma's give a great picture, one I'll admit to liking better than LED/LDC, but not being a videophile I just can't live with the buzzing I hear or having to alter my watching habits to avoid IR since my watching involves lots of static images with the ESPN ticker and game HUDs. I just see plasmas as really only being worth it for videophiles and/or people who naturally mix content a lot and seldom have static images up for long periods. |
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And as someone who's moved every few years lately (and have at least a couple more long moves in store) and likes to rearrange rooms, being light and easy to move is a plus, not a drawback. My main thing with OLED or other new techs is hoping that they eventually get something that can match the black levels and motion handling of plasma, without the proclivity for buzzing and IR. I don't care that much about being thinner and lighter--but I do view that as a plus. I'd just love to get a plasma or better picture without the annoyances that make me unable to go with plasma. |
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Question, can the top of the line plasmas get as dynamic, sharp, and have as much "pop" as the better LED TV's?
I guess thats my issue with plasma, based on my viewings at the store. Plus for those who are saying "oh you cant go by the store display." Well like I said before, the VT50 that I saw at Best Buy was in one of their theater rooms and I verified that it was set to THX Cinema mode. The picture looked nice but to my eyes it was somewhat soft and understated compared to the Samsung. The Samsung's image was sharper, it seemed to show more fine detail, and just had a "wow" factor that the plasma didn't. Even my wife made the comment "wow that image looks real." Yes the plasma had darker blacks but imo that is not the be all end all to a TV's image qualiy.
"Live in your hopes, not in your fears."
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I have a U50 plasma that DESTROYS any samsung or Sony display in the under $1500 range with both dialed in and calibrated |
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I've watched it especially with the highly technical devices - hard drives, monitors, and IC's. Consumer articles - like VHS players - are also subject to this. As well as televisions. Let us know your experience in watching reductions in manufacturing plants. Automobiles? Aircraft? Appliances? Manufacturing equipment? Or, as I suspect, are you just making assumptions? |
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