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Old 08-18-2013, 07:07 PM   #21
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Lossless wouldn't make any difference at all. The limitations are all from the early sound technology on this film.

The unrestored has clear dialogue and good balances. That's all one can hope for.
I remember the exact same awful "restored" soundtrack on the dvd release of this! A few reviews didn't seem to catch on to the butcher job done with noise reduction tools on that track, but a few who bothered to compare came to the same conclusion, that the unrestored one is much better, and is fine considering the probable shape of the elements. Personally, I think that very often audio tracks of pre-dolby era films are indiscriminately scrubbed of noise AND detail in very many modern releases. For whatever reason (tin ears mostly), remastering engineers are deathly afraid of some critic citing background noise as a problem. The shame of it is that modern audio restoration tools, when used properly, CAN remove clicks, pops, hum and other anomalies without killing the life and color of the sound through excessive de-noising. When it's as bad as this release, everyone can hear the processing as overdone, but often it's passed off as a problem with the original track, which simply is not true.

It's a shame....our ears quickly adjust to a constant level of background noise, but we can't replace what has been thrown away in these deadened, cloth eared, indiscriminate uses of technology.
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I remember the exact same awful "restored" soundtrack on the dvd release of this! A few reviews didn't seem to catch on to the butcher job done with noise reduction tools on that track, but a few who bothered to compare came to the same conclusion, that the unrestored one is much better, and is fine considering the probable shape of the elements. Personally, I think that very often audio tracks of pre-dolby era films are indiscriminately scrubbed of noise AND detail in very many modern releases. For whatever reason (tin ears mostly), remastering engineers are deathly afraid of some critic citing background noise as a problem. The shame of it is that modern audio restoration tools, when used properly, CAN remove clicks, pops, hum and other anomalies without killing the life and color of the sound through excessive de-noising. When it's as bad as this release, everyone can hear the processing as overdone, but often it's passed off as a problem with the original track, which simply is not true.

It's a shame....our ears quickly adjust to a constant level of background noise, but we can't replace what has been thrown away in these deadened, cloth eared, indiscriminate uses of technology.
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From the review and this post, it sounds like they simply "upgraded" the "restored" soundtrack to DTS-HD MA instead of doing a NEW restoration. Sad considering this is the first talkie filmed outdoors (NOT the first sound-on-film feature -- Sunrise used Movietone even though it was only a synchronized score) and has an early Best Actor-winning performance by Warner Baxter.

(Edit: At least this review, unlike Cavalcade, made mention of the Fox vault fires that destroyed most of their early OCNs, thus limiting the quality of modern restorations. Maybe that, instead of the erroneous belief that the studio was founded by Darryl Zanuck in 1935 instead of William Fox in 1915, is why Fox has long been shy about releasing its pre-1935 features on home video.)
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I just got this Blu-ray off of ebay for $4.99+$3.00 S/H. Been wanting it but didn't want to pay very much since the PQ/AQ quality are just ok. Sad that so many early films were lost or damaged due to fires, carelessness, etc. That being said, I wanted to have this early talkie in my collection.
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