Star Trek: TNG - Season 2 Dec 4

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by Livelong420

For season 3, I'm going to have to start hookin'. lol

never thought of that. would help pay for all the Trek bluray releases coming up over the next few months. but i live in a small city - not sure if we even have a red light block never mind a red light district.

[bsweetness]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

never thought of that. would help pay for all the Trek bluray releases coming up over the next few months. but i live in a small city - not sure if we even have a red light block never mind a red light district.

Sounds like it's time to start one then.

[blonde_devil]

I don't know. In the city I live in, there are a lot more Morn's than Orion slaves if you catch my meaning.

Boy, this thread sure took an unexpected turn. Who would have thought this could happen in a Trek thread?

[IronWaffle]

For anyone in the Baltimore area: I spotted a new copy of this going for $29.99 yesterday at Sound Garden.

[Livelong420]

Mine has not shipped yet.

[GNM]

I hate to bump this thread. But could someone help me get some still's of Data's Beard from "the schizoid man"? I tried to get some screens from my own bluray but it only wants to save in .tiff which isn't memeable.

[Aatrek]

Originally Posted by GNM

I hate to bump this thread. But could someone help me get some still's of Data's Beard from "the schizoid man"? I tried to get some screens from my own bluray but it only wants to save in .tiff which isn't memeable.

[Schfooge]

I picked this up for $34.95 at my local Best Buy (Cambridge, ON). Not sure if this deal is good in the US too.

[Croweyes1121]

I'm looking for a slipcover for this season. Does anyone have a slip they don't want/need who would be willing to hook me up with this?

[serenityncc880]

I have been blind buying these seasons as they've been released on bray. Its been such a struggle to get through these episodes but BOY!!! finally got to A Matter of Honor and the Measure of a Man. Those were fantastic episodes! For the first time since I began watching this series I was fully engaged and highly anticipating the next episode!...and then I watched The Dauphin....sigh here we go again...can't wait to just get to season 3 already

[Barbossa]

Originally Posted by serenityncc880

I have been blind buying these seasons as they've been released on bray. Its been such a struggle to get through these episodes but BOY!!! finally got to A Matter of Honor and the Measure of a Man. Those were fantastic episodes! For the first time since I began watching this series I was fully engaged and highly anticipating the next episode!...and then I watched The Dauphin....sigh here we go again...can't wait to just get to season 3 already

Don't get TOO excited about season 3 ............ at least not for the first few episodes. It's really not that great for the first 9 or 10 episodes (with the odd exception) but it really starts to hit the mark from episode 10 onwards (although there is still the odd duff episode, the difference being that by then the good outweigh the bad).

[benbess]

Originally Posted by Barbossa

Don't get TOO excited about season 3 ............ at least not for the first few episodes. It's really not that great for the first 9 or 10 episodes (with the odd exception) but it really starts to hit the mark from episode 10 onwards (although there is still the odd duff episode, the difference being that by then the good outweigh the bad).

+1

Yes. S3 is better than S2, which is better than S1, but it's more of a gradual thing than some of the reviews seem to say.

My grades for the seasons as a whole are roughly:

S1: C+
S2: B-
S3: B

S3 has more A episodes, and fewer C episodes, but there are quite a few B/B- episodes imho.

[serenityncc880]

Originally Posted by Barbossa

Don't get TOO excited about season 3 ............ at least not for the first few episodes. It's really not that great for the first 9 or 10 episodes (with the odd exception) but it really starts to hit the mark from episode 10 onwards (although there is still the odd duff episode, the difference being that by then the good outweigh the bad).

uuughh.... First I heard that TNG was going to blow my mind and is not only the best Trek, but some of the best television in general. and then I started watching season 1 and was disappointed. Then people told me season 2 with Riker's beard is where it starts really taking off. Then I get to season 2 and (while there are some excellent episodes) it has also mostly been a letdown. But then everyone says Season 3 its mostly perfection...now you tell me this . It's going to be season 7 before I know it. I dont know maybe I was overhyped for TNG but right now I really enjoyed TOS much much more.

[DasRetroKid]

Originally Posted by serenityncc880

I have been blind buying these seasons as they've been released on bray. Its been such a struggle to get through these episodes but BOY!!! finally got to A Matter of Honor and the Measure of a Man. Those were fantastic episodes! For the first time since I began watching this series I was fully engaged and highly anticipating the next episode!...and then I watched The Dauphin....sigh here we go again...can't wait to just get to season 3 already

Season 2 is where everything really starts to come together IMO and has some excellent episodes. "The Dauphin"... is not one of them.

Originally Posted by serenityncc880

uuughh.... First I heard that TNG was going to blow my mind and is not only the best Trek, but some of the best television in general. and then I started watching season 1 and was disappointed. Then people told me season 2 with Riker's beard is where it starts really taking off. Then I get to season 2 and (while there are some excellent episodes) it has also mostly been a letdown. But then everyone says Season 3 its mostly perfection...now you tell me this . It's going to be season 7 before I know it. I dont know maybe I was overhyped for TNG but right now I really enjoyed TOS much much more.

TNG (especially the first 3 seasons) is something that many people have very different opinions about. I think your blind buying these sets based on what others have told you and imo (and I'm just trying to be helpful here) I think your better off trying out each season on NetFlix first, instead of continuing to blind buy them, as I think these sets are out of the blind buy price range. I think I'd be more comfortable blind buying something like a Season of Fringe that can usually be had for $20 or so, instead of something that's $60 plus.

[blahsi]

I had to post this - my mom, who has a Blu-ray player but generally doesn't care much about HD, has been borrowing my TNG sets and raved about how amazing season 1 looked. She called me and said, "Why are the special effects so different from season 1? The engines look weird. Shouldn't it look better, not worse?" If she can notice something's off, you know it isn't the best. That said, she said the live action scenes were amazing to see in so much detail. Overall, she's thrilled but I had to post her observations on the special effects since she isn't an HD snob yet.

[benbess]

Originally Posted by serenityncc880

uuughh.... First I heard that TNG was going to blow my mind and is not only the best Trek, but some of the best television in general. and then I started watching season 1 and was disappointed. Then people told me season 2 with Riker's beard is where it starts really taking off. Then I get to season 2 and (while there are some excellent episodes) it has also mostly been a letdown. But then everyone says Season 3 its mostly perfection...now you tell me this . It's going to be season 7 before I know it. I dont know maybe I was overhyped for TNG but right now I really enjoyed TOS much much more.

I'm a big fan of TOS too. The first 2.5 seasons of TOS are mostly very good. They worked like heck and caught lighting in a bottle. Nothing is like that show for people like us who are into it.

TNG takes more time to get its legs and is a different cup of tea. But by S3 it's hitting more than it's missing. I think S4 is better than S3, but it's been so long that I'm not sure. And I think it's fairly steady with a few bumps along the road for S5 through S7.

And so if you can afford them, my suggestion is to keep buying these sets when they are on sale.

Fringe is a lot cheaper, but having watched the whole darn thing I think it's not nearly as good a show as TNG imho. I doubt I'll ever watch Fringe again, but I will come back and rewatch favorite episodes of TNG.

But no doubt, it's just not the same as TOS. Something was lost, but something was gained too. TNG is it's own thing, and is one of the best sci fi shows ever to make it to TV. They never had quite the killer seasons that TOS had in its first two, but in their best episodes (which get to be more frequent) they do their own thing very well.

For what little it may be worth, here are my personal episode by episode grades for S3:

Evolution: B
The Ensigns of Command: B
The Survivors: C
Who Watches the Watchers: B-
The Bonding: C+
Booby Trap: B-
The Enemy: B+
The Price: B-
The Vengeance Factor: B-
The Defector: A
The Hunted: B+
The High Ground: A-
Deja Q: C
A Matter of Perspective: C
Yesterday's Enterprise: A
The Offspring: A
Sins of the Father: A
Allegiance: B-
Captain's Holiday: C
Tin Man: A-
Hollow Pursuits: B
Sarek: A-
The Most Toys: B
Menage a Troi: C
Transfigurations: B
Best of Both Worlds: A

[Maxwell Everett]

Originally Posted by Barbossa

Don't get TOO excited about season 3 ............ at least not for the first few episodes. It's really not that great for the first 9 or 10 episodes (with the odd exception) but it really starts to hit the mark from episode 10 onwards (although there is still the odd duff episode, the difference being that by then the good outweigh the bad).

Originally Posted by serenityncc880

uuughh.... First I heard that TNG was going to blow my mind and is not only the best Trek, but some of the best television in general. and then I started watching season 1 and was disappointed. Then people told me season 2 with Riker's beard is where it starts really taking off. Then I get to season 2 and (while there are some excellent episodes) it has also mostly been a letdown. But then everyone says Season 3 its mostly perfection...now you tell me this . It's going to be season 7 before I know it. I dont know maybe I was overhyped for TNG but right now I really enjoyed TOS much much more.

For what it's worth, I would certainly disagree with the opinion that the first 10 episodes of Season 3 are "really not that great." There is a very noticeable uptick in quality in every department (primarily writing, cinematography, VFX and costuming) right from the start of the season:

no stars - terrible
★ - poor
★★ - mediocre
★★★ - good
★★★★ - very good
★★★★★ - great

Evolution: ★★★★
The Ensigns of Command: ★★★
The Survivors: ★★★★★
Who Watches the Watchers: ★★★★
The Bonding: ★★★
Booby Trap: ★★★★
The Enemy: ★★★★
The Price: ★★
The Vengeance Factor: ★★
The Defector: ★★★★★

Average score: ★★★1/2