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Old 02-06-2014, 06:54 PM   #81
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A LOT of the films listed here can't be in true 4K without having all the visual effects, color timing, etc. redone completely (which is not likely to happen). Since the fairly early 2000s pretty much all major productions have gone through a digital intermediate stage where the film was scanned into a computerized system for editing/color correction/effects and the like, and then printed back onto film for distribution to theatres. Until very recently this was never done at 4K... and it still usually isn't, though it's gaining traction. The norm is 2K, and further back than a year or two ago pretty much EVERYTHING was done on a 2K intermediate. Unless you wanted to view the unprocessed film footage, 2K is the max resolution you're going to get out of these movies without going back to the original elements and redoing everything....
As duly noted way back in ’08 - http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....ed#post1192978 with an explanation and an emoticon.
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Old 02-07-2014, 03:42 PM   #82
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As duly noted way back in ’08 - http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....ed#post1192978 with an explanation and an emoticon.
Indeed. You're good about staying on top of these things; I was bringing it up again since so many people clearly didn't see it.

Your post is clearly superior though. I forgot the emoticon
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Your post is clearly superior though. I forgot the emoticon
My personal fave…. Although out of humbleness, I refrain from using it but on the very rare occasion.

Don’t feel badly though, as dem emoticons do take up precious time esp. when you’re in a rush to move on to read and perhaps respond to the next post. I kinda wish I had added one to the third paragraph of a post from about 2 years ago…http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....es#post5968868

As I felt back then that Mitsubishi’s departure would be first in line.
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Old 02-07-2014, 07:13 PM   #84
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Indeed. You're good about staying on top of these things...
Too much hormones.

I want one….http://business.time.com/2014/02/06/...ge-everything/
But my better half says they cost too much for now.
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Even some recent blockbusters like The Hobbit movies are mastered in 2K.
There were five image versions released in the U.S., as follows: 2D24, 3D24 4.5ftL, 3D24 7ftL, 3D48 4.5ftL and 3D48 7ftL.
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There were five image versions released in the U.S., as follows: 2D24, 3D24 4.5ftL, 3D24 7ftL, 3D48 4.5ftL and 3D48 7ftL.
Looks let I get to learn something today: What's "ftL" stand for? Google only returns answers about a video game.
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Looks let I get to learn something today: What's "ftL" stand for? Google only returns answers about a video game.
Foot-Lambert is a measure of luminance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot-lambert

http://hometheaterreview.com/foot-lambert/
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I've been giving this some thought and I think there's only really about 15 movies I'd buy in 4k and I'm still waiting for some of them to get a bluray release. I'd buy a player and a projector just for 2001 and Apocalypse Now on a 4k disc, though.
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Looks let I get to learn something today:
There are little golden nuggets of info to learn scattered about this forum….you just have to know where to look. From clarification about the advanced nuances of the 2K finishing for the first Hobbit film vis–à–vis personal communication….http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....on#post7542631

to the perspective of another unit of luminance by the youngsters who have not yet chosen a career path…http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....ie#post8764829
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So it looks like a 4K physical format is moving ahead steadily so what films would you consider to rebuy in 4K?
I would say Blade Runner and all the Kubrick films
Also Star Wars.

I saw the Sony 4K tv today and what really impressed was the depth in the picture. This is a LCD so it will look even better on a OLED with much better contrast.
The price of 4K TV is coming down really fast every year , so there is chance it may pick up in year or two.I may get 4K TV or computer monitor in year or two if the price keeps going down. It will be awesome for 4K gaming.

Has for movies to be in 4K you can't !! Why? To many movies wold have to be re-done like the star trek show .Cost lots of money!! Most movie studies wont spend the money.

The only thing you can do is look for new movies coming out this year or next year in 4K.

Your 4K TV will upcovert HD to near 4K but will not look as good as a true 4K.
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For me, the whole 2k DI protocol since the 90's is pretty much the spanner in the works for me.

However, there are plenty of worthy movies I like which wouldn't suffer that, spectacles;

Waterworld
Jaws
Apollo 13
Broken Arrow
Outbreak
The Rock
Armageddon
Twister
Indiana Jones trilogy
Jurassic Park
Titanic
Back to the future trilogy
Men In Black
Fifth Element
Face Off
Mission Impossible
Shawshank Redemption

Even if just these were in my 4k Collection I'd be happy, and..

anything of supreme quality that has a 4k remaster;

Blade Runner
..etc

Then of course the obvious 2012 onwards films that mostly come 4k ready now. Movies like; Man Of Steel, Prometheus, Lincoln, The Amazing Spiderman

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I'm not answering this.

I fell into this trap when blu-ray came out and everybody was asking "What films will you buy in blu-ray?" And my reply was, "oh! just the ones that will benefit from it like Lawrence of Arabia, Bridge on the River Kwai, things like that"

Over 500 blu-rays later...
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I'm not answering this.

I fell into this trap when blu-ray came out and everybody was asking "What films will you buy in blu-ray?" And my reply was, "oh! just the ones that will benefit from it like Lawrence of Arabia, Bridge on the River Kwai, things like that"

Over 500 blu-rays later...
I said the same thing....
over...... well blu-rays later......
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I'm not answering this.

I fell into this trap when blu-ray came out and everybody was asking "What films will you buy in blu-ray?" And my reply was, "oh! just the ones that will benefit from it like Lawrence of Arabia, Bridge on the River Kwai, things like that"

Over 500 blu-rays later...
Yep, I'll probably end up doing the same thing. However, I wonder what benefits we'd see with a high-bitrate and possibly enhanced color space release of a movie with a 2K DI like Casino Royale over the existing BD. In that case, I'd be much less likely to upgrade over what I have already.

If there's a movie with a photochemical finish that I like, I'd grab it in a heartbeat. The Dark Knight would be a prime example of something that would shine with a 4KBD release as the original BD is rather poor.
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Then of course the obvious 2012 onwards films that mostly come 4k ready now. Movies like; Man Of Steel, Prometheus, Lincoln, The Amazing Spiderman
MoS and Prometheus were finished at 2K.

Anyhoo, as singh said there really won't be a pressing need to rebuy all those 2K finishes in some sort of faux 4K (faux-K?) presentation, not unless HDR or WCG has become a reality by then. The braver studios might do 4K rebuilds along the lines of how Sony makes their 4K masters anyway, which is to upscale the 2K VFX and integrate it with genuine 4K camera footage. That'll be the best we can hope for.
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Old 03-29-2014, 01:31 PM   #96
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I'm not answering this.

I fell into this trap when blu-ray came out and everybody was asking "What films will you buy in blu-ray?" And my reply was, "oh! just the ones that will benefit from it like Lawrence of Arabia, Bridge on the River Kwai, things like that"

Over 500 blu-rays later...
agree, before BD came out I was thinking more or less "new films that I don't have on DVD", but once I started watching BDs I could not go back to watching DVD they are just awful so now I am at over 2k BDs.

I am still hoping that the difference won't be that big with 4k and I will feel that BD is good enough and I am not being robbed of the real experience of the movie I am watching for the films I already have, but I am not assuming anything this time.


The only difference this time is that we have had many years of filming/finishing in lesser quality (i.e. movies shot or manipulated-effects...- in digital 2K or anything under 4k) and so might not benefit from 4k.

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Old 03-29-2014, 05:42 PM   #97
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agree, before BD came out I was thinking more or less "new films that I don't have on DVD", but once I started watching BDs I could not go back to watching DVD they are just awful so now I am at over 2k BDs.

I am still hoping that the difference won't be that big with 4k and I will feel that BD is good enough and I am not being robbed of the real experience of the movie I am watching for the films I already have, but I am not assuming anything this time.


The only difference this time is that we have had many years of filming/finishing in lesser quality (i.e. movies shot or manipulated-effects...- in digital 2K or anything under 4k) and so might not benefit from 4k.
My understanding is that 35mm film is around 4k. But you have all this scanning done at lower rates for years. I think the first digital movie theaters were 2k and that made some like Spielberg and Tarantino upset because film had a higher effective resolution. All this being said, unless my wife makes a giant leap up the corporate ladder, I am not investing in 4k, it won't make that much of a difference without a new, larger setup than my 60" Panny and will take years to go through the rebuying/building of a library.
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