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Old 07-13-2016, 05:46 PM   #1361
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Yeah, no. I gave two examples with Kino and Shout, who always include the previous DVD extras and yes, the trailers. Olive is too cheap to pay for them, yet they charge the same prices as Kino and Shout discs.

Even if you just say "yeah, no," that doesn't change the distinction between Kino and Shout re-releasing movies they have already released and Olive getting newly licensed material which you are ignoring in your blanket statements. If you limit your comparison to Kino and Shout titles which are newly licensed and previously released by other distributors vs. Olive titles which are newly licensed and previously released by other distributors, the numbers will then be accurate for comparison sake. So if you want to prove your point, get on it. Otherwise, I will continue to say that you are wrong.

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If they feel they won't make the money back by including the trailers or extras, then they should sell their discs at budget prices, since that is what they are offering. They should be next to the Mill Creek and Echo Bridge discs in the $5 bin at Walmart.
I don't think you have even a basic understanding of how retail works if you honestly think that the movies that Olive sells (edited to acknowledge that yes, this is a generalization) would ever wind up being sold in a Wal-Mart, let alone in the budget rack.

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Old 07-13-2016, 06:58 PM   #1362
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I'm sorry, mate. None of that extra junk matters if they F'd up the transfer AND the audio. That has to be job one on this kind of thing.
Exactly.
Don't forget, that one user called them out on it and was lied to. A few times.
Only after proof was shown by the other user did shout change their story.
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Old 07-13-2016, 08:17 PM   #1363
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Even if you just say "yeah, no," that doesn't change the distinction between Kino and Shout re-releasing movies they have already released and Olive getting newly licensed material which you are ignoring in your blanket statements. If you limit your comparison to Kino and Shout titles which are newly licensed and previously released by other distributors vs. Olive titles which are newly licensed and previously released by other distributors, the numbers will then be accurate for comparison sake. So if you want to prove your point, get on it. Otherwise, I will continue to say that you are wrong.
What movies are you talking about that, that Shout and Kino have re-released that have already been released? Are you talking about the handful of titles they released on DVD and then Blu? Or are you talking about the titles like Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2, Escape from NY, or Return of the Living Dead that includes all the previous extras plus the new ones. Not sure what that has to do with anything!?

As for your the second part of your argument, again I'm a little confused what you are talking about?

99% of Shout and Kino titles new to Blu carry over the previous DVD extras, including yes, the trailers.
99% of Shout and Kino titles that had previous Blu-rays carry over the previous Blu-ray extras, plus add new ones.

90% of Olive titles new to Blu don't carry over the previous DVD extras, 99% if you include trailers.
100% of Olive titles that had previous Blu-ray don't carry over the previous Blu-ray extras.

If I'm wrong on this, please show me an example, let alone several examples where I'm wrong.

I have given several examples of Olive titles that didn't port over the previous extras, and if we are counting trailers, well there's many more. And this was only looking at the titles I was intersted in. There are hundreds more looking at their whole catalog.

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I don't think you have even a basic understanding of how retail works if you honestly think that the movies that Olive sells (edited to acknowledge that yes, this is a generalization) would ever wind up being sold in a Wal-Mart, let alone in the budget rack.
Well considering you can find Echo Bridge and Mill Creek titles in Walmart, are you saying Allan Quatermain and the Lost City of Gold, Class, Mannequin 1+2, Breaker Breaker, Coffy, Foxy Brown, Meteor Man, etc. are any different than the titles released from Mill Creek or Echo Bridge that can be found in the cheap bins. Are these films of a higher caliber than When a Stranger Calls, One Good Cop, Another Stakeout, Scenes from a Mall, New York Stories, etc.?

Maybe their film noirs may be of a higher caliber, but they release a lot of genre films and lowbrow comedies as well that would easily fit into a Walmart dump bin if they were priced accordingly.

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Old 07-13-2016, 08:55 PM   #1364
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I'm sorry, mate. None of that extra junk matters if they F'd up the transfer AND the audio. That has to be job one on this kind of thing.
Fair enough, but again, just from reading opinions in the thread as I don't own the disc, it still sounds as if it is the best way to watch the film at the moment. The extras are are just to prove that that they weren't completely lazy or cheap with the release, or else they would have just threw it into the market barebones, like what Olive does 99% of the time. I'm not saying it's a perfect release by any means, or that Shout or Scream are perfect, but they put a hell of a lot more effort into their releases than Olive does.

I could be wrong, but I don't believe Olive does their own transfers, so they just use what are given like Kino or Shout/Scream (Who has started to do their own scans), but they almost always include the original artwork and previous DVD extras, as well as usually new ones, where as Olive almsot never includes the previous DVD extras including the trailers, almsot never creates new ones, and only occasionally use the original artwork.
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I could be wrong, but I don't believe Olive does their own transfers, so they just use what are given like Kino or Shout/Scream (Who has started to do their own scans), but they almost always include the original artwork and previous DVD extras, as well as usually new ones, where as Olive almsot never includes the previous DVD extras including the trailers, almsot never creates new ones, and only occasionally use the original artwork.
I believe you to be correct on the first part and we pretty much agree on the second. Shout obviously cares about what they release and how. That doesn't excuse them for what they screw up, but it makes a difference to me in how I see them among their peers. And I'm not even saying Olive doesn't care. I can't read their minds. Their product, for what they charge, and compared to similarly tiered companies however, is demonstrably the worst.
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Old 07-15-2016, 03:50 AM   #1366
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Apparently in stores here in Canada, still see Paramount DVDs hat still have WHV labels, does that say anything?
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Old 07-15-2016, 04:09 AM   #1367
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Apparently in stores here in Canada, still see Paramount DVDs hat still have WHV labels, does that say anything?
Not really. Just because the deal is purportedly over doesn't mean retailers are required to return old stock. It likely will sell through or just sit there. Ordered Changing Lanes on Amazon recently and got a copy with a WHV sticker over the UPC.

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Old 07-15-2016, 09:09 AM   #1368
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Not really. Just because the deal is purportedly over doesn't mean retailers are required to return old stock. It likely will sell through or just sit there. Ordered Changing Lanes on Amazon recently and got a copy with a WHV sticker over the UPC.
Warner wouldn't have dumped a ton of Paramount catalog stuff the last year or so if they were going to go OOP immediately. Whether the deal is over or not I am sure they have a set length of availability in the contract.

Though Art of War went OOP a handful of months after it came out, so what do I know.
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Old 07-15-2016, 09:19 AM   #1369
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Sorry everyone, but I don't know what's happening with this deal right now. Can someone bring me, and maybe others, up to speed of what's going on?
Criterion is nice,
Arrow is too.
Mention Echo Bridge,
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Sorry everyone, but I don't know what's happening with this deal right now. Can someone bring me, and maybe others, up to speed of what's going on?
We don't know.
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Old 07-15-2016, 09:59 AM   #1371
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Sorry everyone, but I don't know what's happening with this deal right now. Can someone bring me, and maybe others, up to speed of what's going on?
It's believed by a lot of people in the know that nothing much is going to be going on with Paramounts catalog while there is still ongoing boardroom conflict with elderly Redstone. I'd guess that it will be another year even after he is out of the picture (he's in his mid 90's now and still exerting control- or his surrogates are), before we start seeing movement on the Paramount catalog either thru them or from licensing.
The company is really just an empty shell at this point.

Reminds me a lot of the situation with MGM not too long ago. They finally got a buyer and it was a year or two, maybe more, before we started to see them license stuff out. It wasn't long after that though when the floodgates opened. Might be hard for people to remember just how little MGM catalog was actually out there up until two years ago.

I'm sure that will happen with Paramount eventually, but first the whole Redstone business has to play out with stable, on the ball management firmly in place.
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Re issues of the Paramount catalog to be released on : 01/24/2017

The Warriors caught my attention, it doesn't say Director's Cut (Most likely it is)

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I'm curious to see how AT&T will be handling all of this from now on.
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This list is legit? Where did you come across this info?
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This list is legit? Where did you come across this info?
They are listed on BestBuy.com

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Re issues of the Paramount catalog to be released on : 01/24/2017

The Warriors caught my attention, it doesn't say Director's Cut (Most likely it is)




Being released by...Dun, dunnnn!!!..wait for it....
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Paramount


Sigh. The beatings will continue until morale improves. The least Par could do (which I suppose could still happen) is have UHD BDs streeting on the same day for some of these titles.

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I'm curious to see how AT&T will be handling all of this from now on.
Why do you think the new corporate owner of these titles' former licensed distributor has anything to do with anything here?
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Why do you think the new corporate owner of these titles' former licensed distributor has anything to do with anything here?
AT&T is now brand spanking new to Home Video releases.
This should be something everyone is thinking about.
Will they do good?
Will they do bad?
What are their plans?
How will this impact us?
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AT&T is now brand spanking new to Home Video releases.
This should be something everyone is thinking about.
Will they do good?
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What are their plans?
How will this impact us?
I don't mean to be rude but your thinking evidences a lack of understanding of corporate machinations.

First of all, pending approval of the deal AT&T will be the owner of Time Warner. Willo007's post that resuscitated this thread this morning is about PARAMOUNT now clawing back these titles--some of which had been licensed to Warner under the deal that is the broader subject of this thread--and now re-releasing them directly. This has nothing to do with WHV or Time Warner or AT&T.

Second, corporate parents that far up the ladder rarely get involved in something as prosaic as home video release strategy. Trust me, packaged media home video was NOT even a top 10 deal point driving this acquisition. That's akin to saying that Comcast significantly impacted Universal Studios Home Entertainment practices upon their acquisition of NBCUniversal.

Not so much. Brian Roberts and his management teams will largely leave those decisions to people with more experience in that area and who've been with the studio longer. That's not to say people in general, and division heads in particular, don't lose their jobs.

But if anything, if I were to speculate, a wireless and Internet goliath acquiring the parent of a movie studio (wherein that parent just recently sold its cable assets) does NOT bode well for packaged media. They very deal itself happening in the first place evidences the diminishing role of packaged media in the deal-making landscape. I surmise the DEAL itself it will not be "good" or "bad"; they have no "plans" for home video and it will largely not impact us. It's the broader, plate tectonic market shift that the deal signals that is the bigger fish to analyze here, not anything Randall Stephenson and his management teams are purportedly going to do regarding packaged media.

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AT&T is now brand spanking new to Home Video releases.
This should be something everyone is thinking about.
Will they do good?
Will they do bad?
What are their plans?
How will this impact us?
AT&T acquired Warner Bros., but these re-issues are being released by Paramount, and it appears the distribution deal between Paramount & Warner Bros has ended. AT&T is not associated with Paramount currently.
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