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Old 03-30-2014, 10:17 PM   #761
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Wouldn't he have to buy the BD in order to see the BD in order to make up his mind - which is what he wuz unsure about?
Fair enough. The point was more the preconceived judgment.
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Old 03-30-2014, 10:29 PM   #762
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Fair enough. The point was more the preconceived judgment.
I was jes teasin', pardner. It seems like some dudes here take it personal when some others aren't in love with this BD. Personally, I think the BRDC caps make it look more like an upconverted DVD - at best. But since I was able to order one for $5.69 taxable, I ordered it to find out first hand for myself. If it's as bad as the caps make it look - and I hate judging by caps - I'll try to sell it on eBay and recoup some of my money.
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Old 03-31-2014, 01:43 AM   #763
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6 bucks is cheap enough for me to upgrade! Even if it's not the be-all and end-all of PQ, it's still one of the greatest movies ever (no pun intended)!
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Old 03-31-2014, 02:03 AM   #764
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I was jes teasin', pardner. It seems like some dudes here take it personal when some others aren't in love with this BD. Personally, I think the BRDC caps make it look more like an upconverted DVD - at best. But since I was able to order one for $5.69 taxable, I ordered it to find out first hand for myself. If it's as bad as the caps make it look - and I hate judging by caps - I'll try to sell it on eBay and recoup some of my money.
$5.69...it's not even worth reselling it at that price if you don't like it. The Great Escape is a classic, you'll get many, many viewings out of that $5.69.
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Old 03-31-2014, 03:21 AM   #765
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Obviously it depends to some extent on the film; if the DP took care to shoot at a pretty deep stop, didn't use zooms, diffusion, etc, that would certainly help. If the transfer techs sharpen the shit out of it, that'll "help" too. But the lenses sucked (by objective metrics anyway, many filmmakers have embraced their optical defects). Softness was the norm. And now many of these films are littered with dupes, to boot.

A few major 4K restorations of approximately contemporary films for your consideration:
Sand Pebbles
Dr. Zhivago
The Guns of Navarone

Does it look as good as the most top-notch 4k restorations of the best-photographed scope films with the most stellar blu-ray authoring? No. Did those films ever look that good theatrically? Certainly not. Detail-wise, TGE is in the ballpark of what you would have seen …
I've got one for you - not to argue about, just to get your take on it - The Professionals (1966), which I watched tonight : both 35 mm, 2.35 : 1, Panavision (anamorphic) (as Panavision®). The BRDC caps for The Professionals display none of the problems of The Great Escape (1963). The BD looked great (and sounded pretty good), especially considering the film's age. The key is - nothing was soft. Result : I'm now more worried than ever about TGE, but it's shipped and so …

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$5.69...it's not even worth reselling it at that price if you don't like it. The Great Escape is a classic, you'll get many, many viewings out of that $5.69.
It's not the movie, I know about that - it's this BD I'm not so certain about.
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Old 03-31-2014, 05:18 AM   #766
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I've got one for you - not to argue about, just to get your take on it - The Professionals (1966), which I watched tonight : both 35 mm, 2.35 : 1, Panavision (anamorphic) (as Panavision®). The BRDC caps for The Professionals display none of the problems of The Great Escape (1963). The BD looked great (and sounded pretty good), especially considering the film's age. The key is - nothing was soft. Result : I'm now more worried than ever about TGE, but it's shipped and so …
Unfortunately, I have not seen it. Screenshots show pretty clear signs of sharpening though.
The thing is, there's no "problem" with TGE's sharpness. It's unexceptional, but not problematic. It's well within the range of how movies of its origins look theatrically. It has other problems, but that's not one of them.
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I've got one for you - not to argue about, just to get your take on it - The Professionals (1966), which I watched tonight : both 35 mm, 2.35 : 1, Panavision (anamorphic) (as Panavision®). The BRDC caps for The Professionals display none of the problems of The Great Escape (1963). The BD looked great (and sounded pretty good), especially considering the film's age. The key is - nothing was soft. Result : I'm now more worried than ever about TGE, but it's shipped and so …
The Professionals looks great, so does Lawrence Of Arabia & Samson & Delilah, & there's a few films from the 70's & 80's that look dire. You have to go on a film by film basis. As I've said, we don't know what state the org. negs. are in, & this could be the best we'll ever get. And now the Blu is down to the price of a burger, I wouldn't be too worried.
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Old 03-31-2014, 11:03 AM   #768
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And let's not forget that TGE was/is a very very popular film which means a lot of film printing through the years off the original negative.
My guess is that the OCN is in a pretty bad shape.

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Old 03-31-2014, 01:06 PM   #769
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Yes, I've seen the movie. But members here have said it looks just bad, and watching a movie with a bad transfer isn't that enjoyable to me. It can bring the enjoyment of the movie down. That's probably why I won't even get Weird Science if it hits this low, not comparing the two transfers, but just giving an example. I really did enjoy the movie though, so for $6, and not owning the movie in any capacity, I guess it's worth it. Part of me wants to wait out for a remaster but that may not happen anytime soon.
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Old 03-31-2014, 03:02 PM   #770
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I watched it on a 112" screen and it's not as bad as what people are making it out to be.
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I watched it on a 112" screen and it's not as bad as what people are making it out to be.
I watched it on a 100" screen although not great is was very watchable, I wish it was better but this is one of my favorite films, and is a must have for me, if later down the line it's re-released with a better transfer, I'll grab that one as well.
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Old 03-31-2014, 03:17 PM   #772
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I was not impressed with the transfer at all. I expected better even considering the age of the film itself. Patton looked a LOT better.
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I was not impressed with the transfer at all. I expected better even considering the age of the film itself. Patton looked a LOT better.
Patton is a 70mm film. No comparison to be had.
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I was not impressed with the transfer at all. I expected better even considering the age of the film itself. Patton looked a LOT better.
But Patton was shot on 65mm in 1970, it should look fantastic. The Sand Pebbles '66 was shot on 35mm anamorphic (like TGE) & looks great. But as I said, you just can't compare films, it's a different restoration story for each movie.
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"The Great Escape" looks fine on blu-ray, it's unexceptional and not demonstration quality, but it's fine, you won't be impressed but you won't be horrified either
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So I watched this film in widescreen VHS about 15 years ago - owned the DVD and never watched it and now I just watched the BD this morning.

Horrified. It's the first time I paused the movie to google the PQ just to check I wasn't going mad. I hadn't read any of the negative press before I started watching it - and deary me the blues, the watched out Noise reduction - the variable quality scene by scene. It's the first BD I'm selling on Amazon whereby I want to keep it but the BD isn't good enough.

I thought we moved on from this BS.
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Old 04-12-2014, 12:25 PM   #777
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While it probably wont end up on someones demo reel its a great movie to be had.
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So I watched this film in widescreen VHS about 15 years ago - owned the DVD and never watched it and now I just watched the BD this morning.

Horrified. It's the first time I paused the movie to google the PQ just to check I wasn't going mad. I hadn't read any of the negative press before I started watching it - and deary me the blues, the watched out Noise reduction - the variable quality scene by scene. It's the first BD I'm selling on Amazon whereby I want to keep it but the BD isn't good enough.

I thought we moved on from this BS.
Ugh. Here we go again.
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So I watched this film in widescreen VHS about 15 years ago - owned the DVD and never watched it and now I just watched the BD this morning.

Horrified. It's the first time I paused the movie to google the PQ just to check I wasn't going mad. I hadn't read any of the negative press before I started watching it - and deary me the blues, the watched out Noise reduction - the variable quality scene by scene. It's the first BD I'm selling on Amazon whereby I want to keep it but the BD isn't good enough.

I thought we moved on from this BS.
Blame MGM, but it is still miles better than the DVD.
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Ugh. Here we go again.
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