Toy Story 3D Trilogy November 1, 2011 - Reviews up

[Big3dfan]

Originally Posted by Paul.R.S

That may be incidentally accurate but it is not my understanding that it is universally true for 3D BD playback in 2D. It's not my understanding that there is any HDMI/EDID communication going back to a BD player from a 2D-only display saying it is such thereby restricting playback. You simply turn off 3D functionality in either the player or the display. Period. The only hardware restriction I'm aware of (and can not personally test at this moment since all the BD players in my household a 3D-capable) is attempting to playback a 3D BD in 2D on a 2D player.

A this point, unless you have a PS3 to verify what you're postulating, all my experience points to you simply being wrong on this.

My PS3 does not give an option to turn of 3D on a disk and my 2D TV goes bonkers if I tried playing 3D.

[Paul.R.S]

Originally Posted by Paul H

No source to site, just my experience with several HDMI 1.4 compatible components. Can you provide sources to the contrary or are you also "speculating and speaking generally via 2D playback by adapting HDMI connections"?

Paul

It's not clear to me why you've used quotation marks. You're not quoting anything I said (and frankly what's in the quotes doesn't make sense).

It's part of the 3D BD spec. I just Googled 3D BD backwards compatibility and got more hits than I care to spend time going through. I've seen this subject discussed to death on various fora, especially when 3D BD was new and some folks were asking why 2D BDs were even being included in Combo packs. You may have anecdotal evidence to the contrary but I would argue it's exactly that: anecdotal. Another factor in the ointment may be HDMI 1.4 quirks. But that would be an HDMI issue, way "downstream" from any alleged disc authoring restricting 3D BD playback exclusively to 3D BD players and 3D-capable displays.

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/...rds-compatible

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1255762/3d...mpatible-to-2d

[Paul.R.S]

Originally Posted by Big3dfan

My PS3 does not give an option to turn of 3D on a disk and my 2D TV goes bonkers if I tried playing 3D.

Are you sure it's not a setting buried in that XMB somewhere? If it is not, then as I surmised earlier this is a PS3-specific issue.

[Paul H]

Originally Posted by Paul.R.S

Do you know this for sure based upon some, say, BDA document/white paper? If so, cite your source please. Otherwise, it sounds like you're speculating and speaking generally.

Originally Posted by Paul H

No source to site, just my experience with several HDMI 1.4 compatible components. Can you provide sources to the contrary or are you also "speculating and speaking generally" via 2D playback by adapting HDMI connections?

[Comma at the end of the sentence was an error.]

Originally Posted by Paul.R.S

Are you sure it's not a setting buried in that XMB somewhere? If it is not, then as I surmised earlier this is a PS3-specific issue.

Originally Posted by ckenisell

Paul,

I have a PS3, Oppo BDP-83 and an Oppo BDP-93 and they all behave the same way when attempting to play a Disney 3D BD on a 2D display. I get that error notification posted by Lnds500.

[Paul.R.S]

Paul, re your re-posting ckenisell's post about the 83, 93 and PS3 all behaving similarly: I already spoke to that. The 83 is not even 3D-capable. It's not clear from his post whether on his 93 he went in to Setup --> Video Setup --> 3D Mode and turned 3D "Off." I own a 93 also.

So now you're not even acknowledging the sources you asked for but instead re-posting other people's posts that purportedly support your position but which have already been discussed?

I can't reproduce what you're experiencing. And if I take my 93 upstairs and connect it to the Tosh and playback a 3D BD in 2D, the issue of that set's DVI input will be an "X" factor arguably making any conclusions less than 100% definitive. It's obvious that different people are having different experiences with different equipment so it's a little silly to continue to parry and joust with me as you seem intent on doing. I prefer to simply believe the spec and my own years of 3D experience across multiple players, numerous discs and two different displays.

[srinivas1015]

Originally Posted by Paul.R.S

I may stand corrected but this is not 100% dispositive. I get that same message if I turn 3D functionality off in my Oppo and try to play the Toy Story 2 3D BD. There are other variables, the most obvious being has the PS3 in question received the 3D firmware upgrade? If so then, again, I think this is a PS3-specific quirk (hardly unheard of in the Sony universe). Or an interoperability issue between the PS3 slim and (that particular?) Samsung.

NO other 3D BD player I've used behaves that way.

Perhaps more importantly, I'm curious, srinivas1015, what the point is of your inquiry. If you've purchased the 3D "Toy Stories," since they're Combos you have the 2D BD also so why are you asking about the 3D BDs' playability in 2D?

I bought the 3D Trilogy set which doesn't have 2D discs . I have a PC with PowerDVD connected to a 3D projector. With a PC, turning off the '3D button' would result in ANY 3D disc playing in 2D. With players, if the HDMI 3D handshake between the BD player and TV does not go through, it won't play. The discs are authored this way to prevent playback on 2D TVs. Some Sony titles like Resident Evil can be played in both 2D and 3D on any TV. Some titles (like Disney's) have locked 3D discs that can't be played on 2D TVs. If you have a 3D TV, the handshake goes through and the disc plays. Once it does, you can turn off the 3D function on your TV and it will play in 2D.

The reason you can played a locked 3D disc on a 2D display via a player is because you're using DVI ports which means there is no handshake that takes place.

I have a 2D HDTV connected to a PS3 and was wondering if these Toy Story Trilogy discs were locked to 3D playback only.

[Paul.R.S]

Originally Posted by srinivas1015

I bought the 3D Trilogy set which doesn't have 2D discs . I have a PC with PowerDVD connected to a 3D projector. With a PC, turning off the '3D button' would result in ANY 3D disc playing in 2D. With players, if the HDMI 3D handshake between the BD player and TV does not go through, it won't play. The discs are authored this way to prevent playback on 2D TVs. Some Sony titles like Resident Evil can be played in both 2D and 3D on any TV. Some titles (like Disney's) have locked 3D discs that can't be played on 2D TVs. If you have a 3D TV, the handshake goes through and the disc plays. Once it does, you can turn off the 3D function on your TV and it will play in 2D.

The reason you can played a locked 3D disc on a 2D display via a player is because you're using DVI ports which means there is no handshake that takes place.

I have a 2D HDTV connected to a PS3 and was wondering if these Toy Story Trilogy discs were locked to 3D playback only.

Thanks for the reply. But there's lots of contradictory stuff that doesn't comport with my own experience in your first paragraph here.

HTPC historically brings a whole 'nother can of worms to the playback table as you likely well know. It adds another layer of difficulty in ascertaining exactly what is going on and why if we're also looking at PowerDVD playback.

It is still my understanding that this notion of 3D BDs being "authored" in such a way that they are "locked" from playback on 2D displays is erroneous. There may be HDMI handshake issues restricting playback on some player/display combinations, but my understanding has always been that the discs themselves are agnostic. It doesn't make sense that 3D BDs, as you state, can play in an HTPC in 2D or that "some Sony titles like Resident Evil can be played in both 2D and 3D on any TV" if indeed there is some broad, software-based "locking" scheme in place.

Also not commensurate with my own experience is this notion that with a 3D display, "the handshake goes through [first] and the disc plays. Once it does, you can turn off the 3D function on your TV and it will play in 2D." Again, I can go in to Setup on the Oppo BDP-93 before ever putting a disc in the player and turn 3D off, insert the Toy Story 2 3D BD and it will play in 2D.

My understanding of HDMI is that if a "repeater" device is expecting communication from another component and it does not get it, signal is not passed. So it does not seem to make sense in my mind that the complete absence of a HDMI "handshake" because a display only has a DVI connection means the signal is passed anyway. I would think that if what you're positing about a software based "lock" were true, based upon all we know about HDMI restrictions, you couldn't play a 3D BD on a DVI-connected display at all because the handshake the player is expecting in order the pass signal doesn't exist at all. My understanding of HMDI handshaking is of a system that tends to default to greater restriction, not greater permissiveness/transmission when required information is not present. It's part of the reason many have had so many problems with handshake quirks and player/display interoperability.

All of this aside and given the varied experiences guys are having, is there a reason you (if you haven't) don't/haven't just tried looking for the 3D setting in your PS3, turning it off if possible and playing the 3D BDs yourself to see what happens? Either that or posting in a PS3 owners' thread on AVS Forum?

[sookymonster]

It has just been announced and is trending on Twitter that Toy story 4 will be released in 2015. I would like to assume it will be 3D!

[COLD_COBRA_]

Originally Posted by sookymonster

It has just been announced and is trending on Twitter that Toy story 4 will be released in 2015. I would like to assume it will be 3D!

that was false.

[BenAndrewsNYC]

Was redeeming my digital copy of Monsters Inc on iTunes today and became reminded of how annoyed I've always been at TS3's icon not matching the first two, so I made my own and thought I'd share for others who were also miffed by this injustice

...now if I would just get around to making a slip for Dinosaur I'd be able to sleep better at night lol

[zeonstar]

So I decided recently I want to get the Toy Story movies in 3D. I currently have the original Blu-Ray Release of 1 and 2 (The 2 disc with 1 BD and 1 DVD) and I have the 4 disc edition of Toy Story 3.

In order to be complete, do I just need to get the 3 disc set of TS1-3 in 3D? The one that runs about $65 on Amazon? I know it doesn't have any extras, But I'm hoping I got that covered with my previous BDs.

Or do I need to get the 4 disc 3D editions of each movie?

[Paul.R.S]

Originally Posted by zeonstar

So I decided recently I want to get the Toy Story movies in 3D. I currently have the original Blu-Ray Release of 1 and 2 (The 2 disc with 1 BD and 1 DVD) and I have the 4 disc edition of Toy Story 3.

In order to be complete, do I just need to get the 3 disc set of TS1-3 in 3D? The one that runs about $65 on Amazon? I know it doesn't have any extras, But I'm hoping I got that covered with my previous BDs.

Or do I need to get the 4 disc 3D editions of each movie?

If supps are important to you, I'd suggest using a site like DVD Empire to check what has and has not been included on the various (DVD) releases of these movies. For instance, I like the way Gary Rydstrom's work is showcased on the 5.1 iso effects track that is exclusive to the The Ultimate TOY BOX: CE. (Not unlike A Bug's Life), that iso track is not on the BD.

[Taygan315]

Still need to see the first Toy Story 3D Blu. Bought it last Christmas.

[zeonstar]

I only wanted to know if the extras on the 2 disc Blu Ray (BD + DVD) original release of TS 1 and 2 are the same extras wise as the 4 disc BD that includes the 3D version.