GoldenEye 007 on Blu-ray

[Patsfan123]

Goldeneye is now free on Amazon Prime Video. Has anyone taken a look to see if it's the same transfer?

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

It's a grainy, grainy film.
Predator levels, so piss off everyone? Or piss off whiners on a message board? Easy choice

I guess "get it right the first time" wasn't an option

[lilboyblu]

Originally Posted by Patsfan123

Goldeneye is now free on Amazon Prime Video. Has anyone taken a look to see if it's the same transfer?

Seeing that you own the disc and have access to Prime, take a look and let us know. I quit Amazon years ago otherwise I'd do it myself.

[Trax-3]

It's a grainy, grainy film.
Predator levels

Why would it be? It's not shot in jungle on some fast 80s stock.

It's anamorphic and on EXR stocks (also on the slower ones). It should look pretty much like a new movie unless they went after some Eyes Wide Shut effect which I find hard to believe.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Trax-3

Why would it be? It's not shot in jungle on some fast 80s stock.

It's anamorphic and on EXR stocks (also on the slower ones). It should look pretty much like a new movie unless they went after some Eyes Wide Shut effect which I find hard to believe.

I have the 1080p unmolested non DNR cropped master and it is grainy

[Patsfan123]

Originally Posted by lilboyblu

Seeing that you own the disc and have access to Prime, take a look and let us know. I quit Amazon years ago otherwise I'd do it myself.

It is the same transfer, sadly.

[timcat4843]

Originally Posted by Oblivion138

The Living Daylights transfer is problematic in its own ways, but the GoldenEye transfer is just plain ugly. I can squint at the Living Daylights transfer and it looks okay...GoldenEye is an eyesore unless I clamp my eyes shut and just don't look at it.

And the audio, is every bit as lousy as the picture quality.

[captainsolo]

I have all the editions of GE and have long done comparisons. Here's my two cents:

The BD uses the LD master or its source at a higher generation, and then tweaks it some. This would also explain the baked in DNR, and why they probably added more.
The LD master was the pinnacle of the format at the time and recycled for the DVD, which was then ported as the SE. Additionally, the DVD doesn't port itself very well, leaving the LD a better and more balanced presentation.
The BD is detailed enough, but nowhere near what it should be. The color and contrast is better than the extreme darkness Lowry had gone to, and a tad better I think than the video-y look of the old DVD but still not quite correct.
I have the cropped Lowry master on UE and HDTV cap, and while it has visible grain and far better detail, the coloring is way off and the film is far too dark.

Audio wise, now that I have the DTS LD, here's how it stacks up:
The heavy LFE Dolby mix originated on the LD. It is present on both ac3 and Surround PCM matrix tracks, and also would up on the original DVD/SE port. Since it is also found on the matrixed audio it led me to wonder if Dolby merely cooked it to seem more impactful in theaters, as this was during the sound wars days of the 90's where the formats were trying to outdo each other.
The UE seems like they remixed the sound maybe a very slight bit in terms of levels otherwise the Dolby and DTS sound identical. No heavy LFE on either.
The DTS LD is perfect, and finally made me realize how much the old heavy LFE mix had been obscuring the film. Now the bass is properly controlled but still present in a lossless mix.(16bit/1509kbps) And when comparing this to the BD HDMA, you find that they're virtually identical, but again there may be a few tiny level differences as I for some reason prefer the DTS LD as sounding slightly better.

I love this mix and its inherent deficiencies. Why anyone in this thread would find any version as sounding bad is beyond me. The BD audio is just about what it should be. Heck, all copies sound good. Even the matrixed PCM is a good track, mixed down from the discrete 5.1.

So what I'm saying is...I think I choose LD. On my xbr960 via LX-900 player, it's about the best I've seen of the format. Sure the BD is technically better, but with this I know the flaws of the format and I also know that neither picture or sound has been tinkered with.
Or this could just be my love of LD and old tech blabbering on.

[Geoff D]

The old 5.1 DD mix for GoldenEye literally broke my sub back in the day, the LFE was so insanely loud.

[Riddler95]

I recently checked out an HD Version of GoldenEye on VOD. The framing was accurate and the actual video looked good too. Maybe MGM has made a new Video Master for GoldenEye since the release of the Blu-Ray.

However I'd still like to know if the HD Version I saw came from the Blu-Ray Master, how can I tell?

[imsounoriginal]

Is the version on Amazon Prime the same as the BD?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Riddler95

I recently checked out an HD Version of GoldenEye on VOD. The framing was accurate and the actual video looked good too. Maybe MGM has made a new Video Master for GoldenEye since the release of the Blu-Ray.

However I'd still like to know if the HD Version I saw came from the Blu-Ray Master, how can I tell?

The framing is accurate on the Blu-ray so that won't tell you much, it's the previous Lowry restored transfer which had a significant crop and used a TV-safe recomposition of the title sequence.

I don't actually mind the GoldenEye Blu-ray tho

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I don't actually mind the GoldenEye Blu-ray tho

[Riddler95]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The framing is accurate on the Blu-ray so that won't tell you much, it's the previous Lowry restored transfer which had a significant crop and used a TV-safe recomposition of the title sequence.

I don't actually mind the GoldenEye Blu-ray tho

I own the Ultimate Edition DVD and the cropping has never really bothered me because it is minor for the most part. With the exception of the cropping, I think that the video on the Ultimate Edition was a very nice improvement over the older Special Edition DVD.

But I am very curious if MGM has made a new master since the release of the Blu-Ray because what I saw on VOD in HD recently looked pretty good.

[Geoff D]

MGM did a round of 4K DCPs a few years back for ALL the EON Bonds so there's definitely a new transfer out there. But without you or someone comparing the VOD to the Blu-ray then we ain't gonna know for sure as to its provenance.

[Riddler95]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

MGM did a round of 4K DCPs a few years back for ALL the EON Bonds so there's definitely a new transfer out there. But without you or someone comparing the VOD to the Blu-ray then we ain't gonna know for sure as to its provenance.

Thank you for the info.

I don't own the Blu-Ray so I can't do a comparison to the VOD Presentation.

But if MGM did 4K DCPs for the Bond films that didn't 4K Scans from Lowry then they should re-release them with new transfers.

I hope that when MGM made the 4K DCP of GoldenEye they scanned the Camera Negative. I remember reading that the transfer for the older Special Edition DVD was sourced directly from the Camera Negative.

[hammerman2.]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

MGM did a round of 4K DCPs a few years back for ALL the EON Bonds so there's definitely a new transfer out there. But without you or someone comparing the VOD to the Blu-ray then we ain't gonna know for sure as to its provenance.

SO there are new 4k transfers for the Bond films that were done after the Lowry versions that are the basis for the Blurays?

Even the ones that Lowry did at 4K? They've done them again?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by hammerman2.

SO there are new 4k transfers for the Bond films that were done after the Lowry versions that are the basis for the Blurays?

Even the ones that Lowry did at 4K? They've done them again?

No, I didn't say that, I said there are 4K DCPs for all the Bonds. Logic dictates that the non-Lowry 4K jobbies must be new transfers - Spy Who Loved Me is a new transfer for sure even on Blu - but it's not likely that MGM did the other nine 4K Bonds again (all six Connerys + OHMSS + LALD + Moonraker) given their money troubles. Sure, 'where did they get the money from to do the remaining films in 4K then?' you may ask, but maybe they got a bulk discount or something.

[baheidstu]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

No, I didn't say that, I said there are 4K DCPs for all the Bonds. Logic dictates that the non-Lowry 4K jobbies must be new transfers - Spy Who Loved Me is a new transfer for sure even on Blu - but it's not likely that MGM did the other nine 4K Bonds again (all six Connerys + OHMSS + LALD + Moonraker) given their money troubles. Sure, 'where did they get the money from to do the remaining films in 4K then?' you may ask, but maybe they got a bulk discount or something.

Tee-hee, you said jobbies. #youreobviouslynotScottish

[Geoff D]

I say 'jobbie' a lot. And I know exactly what it means north of the border