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Old 06-06-2014, 06:52 AM   #1361
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When digital technology reaches the quality of large format (65-70mm) film, which is probably somewhere around 8K, on a straight resolution basis.

This is why the switch to all-digital has really been a terrible mistake. While older movies shot on film stocks will continue to improve with new scans bringing out more of the film's inherent resolution, there are now hundereds of films that are essentially "locked" at 2K resolution because of effects shots or even the camera technology.

In my humble opinion, we should not have switched over until digital had eclipsed film resolution.
Yeah, but there's already talk of software that can "upscale" 2K films by letting the computer add pixels. So I wouldn't say anything is ever going to final, until the film medium as we know it is dead and everyone is watching 3-D holograms of movies.
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Old 06-06-2014, 07:15 AM   #1362
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Film resolution at which stage, though? With 8K (65mm) or 4K (35mm), you're talking about the resolution of the negative, and no one ever sees that exhibited. Because film is an analog medium and needs to go through several print stages, by the time you get to the final release print stage, there's just around 1.9K horizontal resolution on a standard 1.85:1 print. Then, when you run it through the mechanism of a projector, the image degrades even further due to things like gate weave and the imperfections in the optics. Once you're looking at the image on the screen, you'd be lucky to be seeing what, maybe 1.5K of horizontal resolution?

I would argue that a 2K digital cinema package projected on a high-end 2K projector already exceeds the capabilities of antiquated 35mm release print exhibition -- and that's really where the rubber meets the road anyway for the general public. So, in that sense, it was eclipsed as soon as full 4:4:4 RGB 1920 x 1080 image capture was available along with 2K projection. So, 10 years ago?
Well, you're talking about modern multiplex theatres with mediocre equipment maintenance, running mass-produced theatrical release prints ground out from dupe negatives to meet opening-date deadlines for 2000+ screens. Before JAWS and STAR WARS, theatrical release prints were usually struck from the camera negatives (and theatres at that time and before had projectionists who knew how to keep their equipment working properly up to spec).

Higher quality 35mm film stocks today let prints go through more generations before duplication degradation becomes as obvious as it was in the 1970s-80s and before. Not to mention that over the past 30-40 years of release printing from dupe negatives, there would generally be several "showprints" struck from camera negatives for the prestige theatres in big cities where major critics and movie stars would be more likely to see them, or used for archive and revival theatre showings. A properly made (and projected) 35mm print (even from a dupe negative) still looks substantially richer than a 2k digital cinema projection, and a carefully step-printed 16mm reduction print struck from a 35mm negative can equal typical 35mm prints.

And getting back to 2001, it was shot on 65mm negative that was drastically sharper than 35mm of its era and many 35mm films of today (especially projected 55 feet wide), whereas the current Blu-ray looks like a pretty decent but not particularly spectacular 35mm print made off a 35mm dupe negative.
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the original theatrical cut Kubrick released before it was pulled from theaters and re-edited. I want to see the longer cut. Supposedly that footage was found and it could be restored for a re-release down the road...
The footage that was found in the saltmine vault in 2012 was footage Kubrick had removed before the original release cut. It's not the footage that he then removed after the cinema run had started.

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Well, the movie wasn't doing too well and that's when edits were made. Then it became a success.
From my understanding, the extra cuts were Kubrick's choice, not because the film wasn't doing well. There was some footage he removed because he felt people weren't understanding what he'd intended (for instance, Bowman returning to Earth and obliterating the bombs because humankind would no longer need such things, which a lot of people thought was Bowman destroying the Earth), but it wasn't a box office issue that prompted the cuts.

I'm curious to see the saltmine footage myself, but probably not edited back into the picture. Chances are that the Kubrick estate would never allow it, anyway.
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Old 06-06-2014, 09:43 AM   #1364
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Man! I'm late to the game with these classic SciFi blu-ray's.

After years and years, I finally watch Blade Runner and 2001 Space Odyssey on cable, love em, and decide to read up here about the bluray transfer's and pq...etc Everyone says "they're awesome". Even " stunning".

So I buy em both. Blade Runner last year and 2001 this year.

Now I'm reading both kinda need/can use a new transfer.



At what point is a transfer final? At what time can we expect to not double dip?
Ha! I remember saying to myself when I started buying blu-rays..."Im not going down the double-dip route with these like I did with DVD's..."

Did I stick to that? Did I hell! Got worse if anything...some Ive triple-dipped on for different reasons. Maybe even 4 times on one or two as I change my mind etc. Sold all the redundant ones on of course though.
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Does anyone know anything about the "new" digital print which is being relased in cinemas in the UK this month?
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just that I wish I could go see it
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Does anyone know anything about the "new" digital print which is being relased in cinemas in the UK this month?
Here you go. Release details.
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Old 11-25-2014, 06:59 PM   #1368
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Does anyone know anything about the "new" digital print which is being relased in cinemas in the UK this month?
I believe it's a 4K screening; I'll be seeing it this Saturday.

I was lucky enough to watch it in 70mm last year too.
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Old 11-25-2014, 11:10 PM   #1369
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just that I wish I could go see it
Same here.
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Old 12-04-2014, 11:57 AM   #1370
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From my understanding, the extra cuts were Kubrick's choice, not because the film wasn't doing well. There was some footage he removed because he felt people weren't understanding what he'd intended (for instance, Bowman returning to Earth and obliterating the bombs because humankind would no longer need such things, which a lot of people thought was Bowman destroying the Earth), but it wasn't a box office issue that prompted the cuts.
Jerome Agel's The Making of 2001 lists the scenes that were edited out by Kubrick after the first week of theatrical runs in April 1968 and the scene you mention is not among these. IIRC spectators criticized the film for being too long and boring, thus the edits Kubrick applied were to shorten the running time.

One of the scenes - which curiously survived as a photo "series" in form of various international books covers etc. - featured Dave Bowman how he unloaded the AE-35 antenna unit from the storage corridor compartment.

Other scenes included one of the astronauts playing a game of "Pentominoes" with HAL (Parker Brothers made a game with the aforementioned Bowman corridor shot as game illustration, hoping the scene would stay in the film), Bowman playing the piano in the centrifuge and Bowman waking up from his sleeping container (stretching arms) and being asked what he would like for breakfast (the actual scene with Bowman sleeping just prior to waking up remained in the film during Poole's birthday message - but if you look closely, you'll notice that Bowman's sleeping container during that scene is actually empty).

Other scenes included VFX trims, e.g. alternate angles of the Pan Am Space Clipper Orion or Space Station V and probably others (those I specifically indicated I know because I happen to own photo prints of these deleted scenes).

If have no doubt that there is other deleted footage that never made it into any release of the film, most noticably is one shot where we see Bowman in his EVA suit looking at the bed in his "cage" with the robe lying on the bed sheets.

Clarke's novelization is crystal clear that Bowman undressed and eventually put the robe on. I would guess that the scene was originally shot exactly like that, but after that ride that preceeded it it would have looked completely out of place, so I assume Kubrick voted for the camera technique or trick we still see in the final film.

I concur, the Kubrick estate would not (and should not, IMHO) sanction these (original) camera takes.
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Bowman destroying the satellites is from the novel.
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Old 12-04-2014, 12:44 PM   #1372
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While we're on the subject of 2001 does anyone have the French "BluLine" BD? Can't find any info on it except a shot of the slipcase and I want to grab it mainly for that. Always loved that original art. Can't stand the regular release which comes in a standard Amaray. This film needs a fancy box set.
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While we're on the subject of 2001 does anyone have the French "BluLine" BD? Can't find any info on it except a shot of the slipcase and I want to grab it mainly for that. Always loved that original art. Can't stand the regular release which comes in a standard Amaray. This film needs a fancy box set.
They also use that art in the first box set on a very thick cardboard and on the disc, 7:05 mark:

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If they ever do another Blu-ray release I wished it had an alternative track with the Alex North score originally comissioned.
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Old 12-04-2014, 02:42 PM   #1375
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If they ever do another Blu-ray release I wished it had an alternative track with the Alex North score originally comissioned.
I could see a bonus feature of the scenes with the score isolated over the scenes. mixing the audio etc into the film again as an alternate audio track for the film I just don't see WB doing sadly.
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