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Old 06-16-2015, 04:29 PM   #13461
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Old 06-29-2015, 09:46 PM   #13462
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So I picked up the Alien Quadrilogy on blu ray the other day, does anyone know why Aliens is full screen and the other 3 are not? It also seems like the picture quality is a bit inferior with noticeable grains on Aliens. That would be my only real issue with this, I have no problem watching full screen movies I just wish they were consistent to have all 4 movies wide screen or vice versa...
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So I picked up the Alien Quadrilogy on blu ray the other day, does anyone know why Aliens is full screen and the other 3 are not? It also seems like the picture quality is a bit inferior with noticeable grains on Aliens. That would be my only real issue with this, I have no problem watching full screen movies I just wish they were consistent to have all 4 movies wide screen or vice versa...
Because Aliens was shot on 35mm while the other three were shot on Super 35mm. So, you have a 1.85:1 ratio for Aliens (1986) and 2.39:1 for the other three. Aliens is supposed to be that grainy. Cameron wanted to use Super 35mm after he shot Aliens because then he realized he could get much wider and grander shots. He also had a problem with budget restrictions. If you'll notice Cameron shot The Terminator (1984) in 35mm as well, but switched to Super 35mm for The Abyss (1989), which was his next film after Aliens.

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So I picked up the Alien Quadrilogy on blu ray the other day, does anyone know why Aliens is full screen and the other 3 are not? It also seems like the picture quality is a bit inferior with noticeable grains on Aliens. That would be my only real issue with this, I have no problem watching full screen movies I just wish they were consistent to have all 4 movies wide screen or vice versa...
Aliens is widescreen
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Old 06-29-2015, 11:13 PM   #13465
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Because Aliens was shot on 35mm while the other three were shot on Super 35mm. So, you have a 1.85:1 ratio for Aliens (1986) and 2.39:1 for the other three. Aliens is supposed to be that grainy. Cameron wanted to use Super 35mm after he shot Aliens because then he realized he could get much wider and grander shots. He also had a problem with budget restrictions. If you'll notice Cameron shot The Terminator (1984) in 35mm as well, but switched to Super 35mm for The Abyss (1989), which was his next film after Aliens.

If you're still confused this thread will help you: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=183967
No no no, Alien and Alien 3 were shot anamorphic while only Resurrection was shot S35. And using S35 for Cameron's later movies has nothing to do with "wider and grander shots", it's about the fast film stock having progressed to the point where it didn't turn hellishly grainy for a 2.35 extraction. Cameron said in the audio commentary that he would've used S35 for Aliens but the stock was just too grainy for his liking to use with that process.
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Old 06-29-2015, 11:19 PM   #13466
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No no no, Alien and Alien 3 were shot anamorphic while only Resurrection was shot S35. And using S35 for Cameron's later movies has nothing to do with "wider and grander shots", it's about the fast film stock having progressed to the point where it didn't turn hellishly grainy for a 2.35 extraction. Cameron said in the audio commentary that he would've used S35 for Aliens but the stock was just too grainy for his liking to use with that process.
Well, at least I had the ratio right. I never claimed to be a camera expert.
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I'm not used to "full screen" meaning 16:9 yet.
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What HD Goofnut said in regards to the aspect ratios is correct.
Alien and Alien 3 were both shot 35mm anamorphic.
Aliens 35mm spherical.
Alien Resurrection was shot in Super 35mm.

I believe one of the big reasons why Cameron has preferred Super 35 over the years is the ease of shooting and compositing special effects by not having to accommodate anamorphic distortion. His early aversion to anamorphic stemmed from inexperience and difficulties endured while doing visual effects on Escape from New York.

Alien and Aliens both look fantastic in their respective ratios and excellent detail.

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So I picked up the Alien Quadrilogy on blu ray the other day, does anyone know why Aliens is full screen and the other 3 are not? It also seems like the picture quality is a bit inferior with noticeable grains on Aliens. That would be my only real issue with this, I have no problem watching full screen movies I just wish they were consistent to have all 4 movies wide screen or vice versa...
Wait, Aliens was cropped to full screen in the Quadrilogy release? What?
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Wait, Aliens was cropped to full screen in the Quadrilogy release? What?
Wait, you didn't bother to read any of the posts after that one?
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Wait, Aliens was cropped to full screen in the Quadrilogy release? What?
No it was not. It wasn't shot for a 2.35:1 ratio like the other Alien films and looks exactly like it should. With the great restoration work undertaken, Aliens probably looks better than it ever has.
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Wait, you didn't bother to read any of the posts after that one?
Ah shit, sorry, my computer didn't load the rest of the comments. My bad here. Though maybe I would've read them if they loaded... maybe.
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What HD Goofnut said in regards to the aspect ratios is correct.
Alien and Alien 3 were both shot 35mm anamorphic.
Aliens 35mm spherical.
Alien Resurrection was shot in Super 35mm.

I believe one of the big reasons why Cameron has preferred Super 35 over the years is the ease of shooting and compositing special effects by not having to accommodate anamorphic distortion. His early aversion to anamorphic stemmed from inexperience and difficulties endured while doing visual effects on Escape from New York.

Alien and Aliens both look fantastic in their respective ratios and excellent detail.

Best regards,
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What he said about the aspect ratios was spot on. What he said about the shooting formats was not.

Cameron does indeed have an aversion to anamorphic but it's not just because it's more finicky to shoot than flat formats, he also hated the idea of chopping movies in half for the pan and scan process, knowing full well that far more people would be watching his movies on video than in the theater. He liked having the power to selectively reframe his movies for the 4:3 screens of the day, and although it's not so much of a problem these days Jimbo's never gonna stop shooting his stuff on spherical, albeit on digital rather than S35.
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