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Old 12-30-2014, 02:01 PM   #1341
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Harlin is William Friedkin compared to what passes for an action director today.

He's a fine director; most of the problems with his films revolve around their screenplays.
I agree, but I think Justin Lin is the new hope
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Old 12-30-2014, 02:49 PM   #1342
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Yes. You can't straight compare Die Hard to Live Free or Die Hard; you have to factor the movies that came in between, both in quality and in terms of where the character's at. I also think it's funny (this is directed at Drooch) that you complain about the movie's patriotism and it holding up poorly to Die Hard when Die Hard 2 violates many of the principles of the original and is also terribly (read: grossly) patriotic. McClane's take-down of a foreign general and two U.S. traitors stinks of flag-waving, especially coupled with his most earnest heroism (McClane on the runway with the torches). When he spits out the catchphrase at the end it kind of gives me the willies.
It's basically McClane versus those darned Commies, so it's got that spiteful edge to it throughout. You're right about the yippee ki yay at the end, it's delivered with a venomous relish not seen in any of the other DH flicks.
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I'll have to agree to disagree with whomever doesn't like DH4...it's a really good action film and well worthy of the DH name. Sure there is over the top stuff but there is in the first one as well. I went into watching DH4 thinking the worst and now it's my second favorite DH film next to the original. You really get the feel of the passing years with John in it.

DH3 would have to be my least favorite(the ending seemed short and chopped and also least favorite side characters) but will leave room for DH5 as I haven't seen that one yet.
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Old 12-30-2014, 06:48 PM   #1344
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I'll have to agree to disagree with whomever doesn't like DH4...it's a really good action film and well worthy of the DH name. Sure there is over the top stuff but there is in the first one as well. I went into watching DH4 thinking the worst and now it's my second favorite DH film next to the original. You really get the feel of the passing years with John in it.

DH3 would have to be my least favorite(the ending seemed short and chopped and also least favorite side characters) but will leave room for DH5 as I haven't seen that one yet.
He became an action Superman and not the everyman, bad direction and villan didn't help
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Old 12-30-2014, 07:44 PM   #1345
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He became an action Superman and not the everyman, bad direction and villan didn't help
Like he wasn't in every other movie to some extent...he was still the everyman to me...especially liked the dialogue between characters in DH4. The villain was actually perfect for the way the world is now. Sometimes the more subtle villain is the better villain as in this case.

Agree to disagree...a haters gotta hate.
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Old 12-30-2014, 07:57 PM   #1346
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I'm still annoyed how the Die Hard DVD was loaded with extras and even offered an alternate cut of the film and how little of it carried over to the blu-ray.

It doesn't feel like an upgrade to me, even if it is a HD transfer.

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I agree. Even as a kid, I HATED DH2 because it was distractingly dumb and an incredible step down in quality from the first film. Plus, Renny Harlin, with few exceptions, is just not a good director.

And you think Die Hard 3 is better?


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I compared DHINO (DH4) to Die Hard as a way of detailing why it's a terrible film and unworthy of the series, I never expected it to match the original but I did want it to measure up to DH2 and With A Vengeance, especially after 12 long years since the previous instalment. I wish I had enjoyed it as much as you had, but seeing it in the cinema was a slowly devastating experience as I watched John McClane cynically retooled for teenyboppers, all topped off with 'Yipee-Kye-Yay Mother(gunshot!)'. Urgh.
I agree, LFODH was DHINO indeed and has no business calling itself a Die Hard movie. Maybe teens will love it but the adults who love the old DH movies hated it.
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And you think Die Hard 3 is better?
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Yeah, Vengeance is still my favorite of the series.
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...a haters gotta hate.
Likers gotta like.
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Maybe teens will love it but the adults who love the old DH movies hated it.
I'm an adult who loves Die Hard and Die Hard With a Vengeance, and I loved it. I saw it in theaters five times. Favorite summer movie of 2007.
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I walked out of Live Free or Die Hard saying "well I don't know if that was Die Hard or not but it sure was fun." My opinion hasn't really changed.

Same thing for Casino Royale and James Bond.
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I walked out of Live Free or Die Hard saying "well I don't know if that was Die Hard or not but it sure was fun." My opinion hasn't really changed.

Same thing for Casino Royale and James Bond.
At least Casino Royale was well written
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Old 12-31-2014, 09:58 PM   #1354
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At least Casino Royale was well written
And made, I spotted the adr crap in in the cinema live free is a badly mad either not in fun in places movie.

Talking about the masters in watched die hard Xmas eve and am now watching 2 and I didn't remember it looking this good, pick push aside it's got a ton of detail for an older scan.
Under the filtering it's pretty good

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