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Old 03-20-2017, 03:41 PM   #181
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what tvs are going to have the ultra d glasses free 3d is this one of them?
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Old 03-20-2017, 04:08 PM   #182
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No 3D from Sony OLED's.......
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Old 03-20-2017, 07:46 PM   #183
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what tvs are going to have the ultra d glasses free 3d is this one of them?
Wasn't your budget like, $500?
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Wasn't your budget like, $500?
i decided to wait it out i rather have perfect black levels not blue dark levels
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Old 03-21-2017, 06:20 PM   #185
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So ....

The uk pricing is still a confusing puddle

Two people have spoke to dealers and have been quoted totally different

I myself have been quoted 6000 for the 65 where as someone else was quoted
8000 , now I'm not being funny but no way is this 8k

How the hell does that work , don't even quote brexit because 2000 more than anyone else is a f***ing joke
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Old 03-21-2017, 10:13 PM   #186
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So ....

The uk pricing is still a confusing puddle

Two people have spoke to dealers and have been quoted totally different

I myself have been quoted 6000 for the 65 where as someone else was quoted
8000 , now I'm not being funny but no way is this 8k

How the hell does that work , don't even quote brexit because 2000 more than anyone else is a f***ing joke
A retailer's just as capable of guestimating prices as anyone else.

Me - I'm waiting to see official pricing before panicking. As it is, I'm much more likely going to be hanging out for next year, anyway, with the lure of HDMI 2.1, HFR and cheaper prices (all hopefully).

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Old 03-21-2017, 10:30 PM   #187
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A retailer's just as capable of guestimating prices as anyone else.

Me - I'm waiting to see official pricing before panicking. As it is, I'm much more likely going to be hanging out for next year, anyway, with the lure of HDMI 2.1, HFR and cheaper prices (all hopefully).

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Old 03-21-2017, 10:38 PM   #188
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I think I can explain this.

All TV manufacturers have two prices, SRP, "Standard Retail Price" aka, MSRP and the second price, which is the lowest permitted sale or advertised price usually referred to as UPP, Unilateral Price Policy. This pricing policy is used Worldwide.

On my website we properly list the SRP and the lower UPP, but some retailers sell at full list at the launch.
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Old 03-22-2017, 02:06 PM   #189
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Hi Robert - I note that the Sony A1E spec sheet posted on your website makes reference under the Video Features section to the set having a feature called 'Frame Blinking'.

I've done some reading, and it would seem that Frame Blinking is a form of BFI/backlight scanning employed on other Sony TVs.

On LCDs, the two Sony approaches to BFI appear to be either Frame Blinking, where entire black frames are inserted, or Line Blinking, which appears to be more like the rolling scan approach Sony employs on its ultra-pricey OLED studio monitor.

Do you know if the spec sheet Sony's provided is pretty reliable, and if we should take this feature for what it appears to be?

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Great questions, nice detective work. Correct, from what I know Frame Blinking is the scheme that Sony uses for their professional RGB OLED monitors. I also believe this is a form or BFI that speeds up the panel's perceived motion resolution as it clears the viewers last vision of each frame.

I got the spec sheet from Sony yesterday. I was also puzzled by the Fram Blinking spec and other technical specs and emailed one of my technical buddies to confirm what we both understand Frame Blinking is doing.

I also asked if Frame Blinking will reduce the peak luminance and if it will be available in the HDR mode. So stay tuned for Sony's reply.

Good work Desk!!
OK, just heard back from engineering and I have a solution to get the panel to insert black frames. I'll be testing and evaluating the best combination of settings with our A1Es for SDR and various HDR modes when our allocation they arrive.

BTW, Sony moved up our 1st allocation to 4/6!
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Old 03-22-2017, 02:45 PM   #190
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OK, just heard back from engineering and I have a solution to get the panel to insert black frames. I'll be testing and evaluating the best combination of settings with our A1Es for SDR and various HDR modes when our allocation they arrive.

BTW, Sony moved up our 1st allocation to 4/6!
That's terrific news, Robert.

Do I take it that you've been advised of where to access a setting in the A1's menu options to enable this function, and that this setting will be accessible to anyone who purchases an A1E?

Also, did they give any indication if it would only work on certain content, such as SDR?

Great news. Can't wait to hear your impressions of the sets when you get them in!

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Old 03-22-2017, 03:46 PM   #191
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I can't say until we receive our A1E allocation and look at the USA menus.

We'll be thoroughly testing BFI with SDR and HDR patterns and content and how it interacts with the panel's peak luminance as well as how the other brightness settings may be used to overcome the normal darkening of the panel when black frames are inserted.

We'll learn the effects and how to best use the controls.
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OK, just heard back from engineering and I have a solution to get the panel to insert black frames. I'll be testing and evaluating the best combination of settings with our A1Es for SDR and various HDR modes when our allocation they arrive.

BTW, Sony moved up our 1st allocation to 4/6!


I kind of want to visit NY in mid-April now. Just to see it before it gets delivered. Kind of like European delivery on BMWs, lol.

Glad to hear there is BFI!

Desk, thanks for asking this question!
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I kind of want to visit NY in mid-April now. Just to see it before it gets delivered. Kind of like European delivery on BMWs, lol.

Glad to hear there is BFI!

Desk, thanks for asking this question!
I don't take any credit - it's purely down to Robert taking the initiative to ask Sony, and it's good of him to share the response.

It's great to hear that the sets are capable of BFI, which is something many of have been keen to see arrive on OLED and have so far been teased with by the Philips (whatever it is they've been doing to achieve 650 lines of motion resolution with no interpolation - wish Vincent Teoh had filmed the set in slow motion so we could see what's going on).

I just hope that Sony do offer easy access to some form of BFI across all territories on the A1E, and that's it's not locked away in a service menu.

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Old 03-22-2017, 05:48 PM   #194
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Desk, thanks for the kind words, but I also credit you with being proactive and bringing this up.
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Good good for those requesting it. The speculation that one reason LG didn't implement it was because of OLED lifetime concerns is beginning to sound bunk.
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I don't see any lifetime issue with using BFI, but did not know LG ever said they had concerns over shorter life due to BFI. All I've been told is that for HDR content BFI would not permit the panel to deliver enough light to support the specular highlights.
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The above claim didn't come from LG but from speculative armchair engineers on the interwebs (based on my understanding, it's more of a technically agnostic decision on LG's part to not provide frame insertion options, and Sony's choice to keep it in the A1e bears this out).
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The above claim didn't come from LG but from speculative armchair engineers on the interwebs (based on my understanding, it's more of a technically agnostic decision on LG's part to not provide frame insertion options, and Sony's choice to keep it in the A1e bears this out).
Yeah - the following aren't direct quotes, but it's consistently appeared to be LG's stance that BFI 'isn't necessary' because the existing motion performance is 'fine as it is'.

It seems a strangely complacent position - particularly when you'd think they'd be going all out to try and prove OLED at least as good if not superior to LCD in every way possible, when reviewers consistently state that motion is one of the LG sets' areas for improvement, and when a small but vocal number of buyers state they have grumbles with motion performance.

I guess this perhaps led to conjecture that there was an underlying technical reason why BFI wasn't being offered as an option, such as impact on lifespan. However, assuming that the Philips and now the Sony sets aren't being reckless in this regard, it would appear that's not the case.

As noted, BFI can't be applied to HDR material at present on an OLED due to the brightness that would be required to compensate for the black frames being inserted. As such, I'd wondered if LG were worried about introducing 'two tier' motion performance - with owners potentially frustrated that HDR motion wasn't as good as that when viewing SDR material.

Anyway, it's great that OLED sets are now arriving which should offer us the option. And you never know - all this might just be a precursor for next year when the anticipated ability to drive these panels at 120hz will, as I understand it, allow more options for handling 24fps material (due to being an exact multiple).

I don't necessarily expect BFI to be a panacea delivering perfect motion performance on an OLED, but if the technology is capable then it's nice to have it as an option.

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5:5 pulldown or 10:10 pulldown with repeating frame method would be nice for film based native 2-D 24fps material.
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doesn't anyone just watch tv here??? This is turning into a used car salesmen thread....everyone BSing each other ..it's enough to make one walk out the door and buy a tv at 7eleven......

Remember what george carlin used to say:..hmmm..sounds intelligent...AHH HE'S FULL OF S$$t!"
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