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Old 02-07-2015, 10:21 PM   #1461
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Re: Godfather Part III, agree 100% that this film has been unfairly & almost universally despised over the years; sure, it's not even close to being as good as the first two GF films, but it's still a decent movie.

This film also has one of my favorite quotes in cinema: "Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in."

I've always been interested in the theme of redemption, so it was interesting here to see an aging Michael Corleone looking back at his life, regretting many of the things he had done, and trying to make up for them.

The Atlantic city
[Show spoiler]massacre was quite shocking & unexpected when I first saw this, since I didn't see it coming in the least. Quite brutal & raw.


IMHO the final sequence in the film,
[Show spoiler]i.e. the opera & Mary's subsequent death - was expertly carried out; it was quite suspenseful seeing the assassin skulk in the opera's balconies & take out the bodyguards; and, it was a shock when Mary (Sofia C.) died; this was especially horrible, since Michael was the target & he would obviously live with this guilt for the rest of his life.


And, I felt the very final scene
[Show spoiler]- with an elderly Michael dying peacefully in the small Italian village - to be quite poignant & ironic, since he had lived a very violent life & was responsible for a lot of deaths....Yet, he himself lived a long life & passed of natural causes...


I don't mind the exclusion of Duvall; I think the film works fine without him. I don't think not having him should be held against the film, since the story has nothing to do with his character in the least. Also, IIRC most of Godfather III is set in the late 1970's, which, IIRC, is about 30 years after Godfather II. So, it would make sense that a lot of these characters aren't around anymore...Of course, I think Duvall is an overrated actor anyway...

And, let's be honest, even if Duvall had been in the film I'm sure it would still have been slammed by critics/movie fans. IMHO there was nothing the film could have done to make people think it was good back when it was released. It had too much to live up to, re: the previous two critically acclaimed films...

I also don't understand the vitriol directed against S. Copolla - sure, she was in the film because her dad directed it - I completely get that - i.e., Hollywood nepotism at it's most blatant. But, I felt that, considering her role, her acting was not bad - she was playing a young woman who was in love with her cousin (A. Garcia), and IMHO this came across fairly well in the film - her role did not require that much acting; and, I'm not sure that another actress would have been able to do any better, especially since I didn't think she did a bad job here. I thought she played the role of a young, nieve, love-struck woman fairly well.

[Show spoiler]I thought the scene when she died at the end was quite poignant; and, her father's (Pacino's) reaction was realistic & heart-felt.
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Old 02-07-2015, 10:23 PM   #1462
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I don't think "flawed but still good" is a contentious summary. I would guess the vast majority would describe Part III that way. It was even nominated for best picture.

If someone calls it a worthless piece of trash just roll your eyes at their drama and move along.
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Old 02-07-2015, 10:24 PM   #1463
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I also don't understand the vitriol directed against S. Copolla - sure, she was in the film because her dad directed it - I completely get that - i.e., Hollywood nepotism at it's most blatant. But, I felt that, considering her role, her acting was not bad - she was playing a young woman who was in love with her cousin (A. Garcia), and IMHO this came across fairly well in the film - her role did not require that much acting; and, I'm not sure that another actress would have been able to do any better, especially since I didn't think she did a bad job here. I thought she played the role of a young, nieve, love-struck woman fairly well.

[Show spoiler]I thought the scene when she died at the end was quite poignant; and, her father's (Pacino's) reaction was realistic & heart-felt.
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Old 02-08-2015, 02:06 AM   #1464
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I have the first US version (had it preordered) which I still haven't watched (waiting on my wife, I should just go ahead and watch them) and yeah it's the single case with the four or five discs? In a slip. I got the Blufans steel last summer and it's very nice. A bit pricey but worth it. I was in Mexico a few weeks ago and I saw a set that had the Coppola restoration sleeve on the outside but for the picture the inner part looked like the art on the UK ultimate set. It was big, like almost a foot from top to bottom. The discs were all in a sleeve on one card and it included the final shooting script. It was a nice set and numbered, but it was over $100. If I hadnt just got the Blufans version I might have picked it up. When I have time I'll post the pic and am I able to add titles to the database? There were a bunch there I saw that aren't on here, picked up a few titles too while I was there.
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Old 02-08-2015, 02:12 AM   #1465
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When I have time I'll post the pic and am I able to add titles to the database? There were a bunch there I saw that aren't on here, picked up a few titles too while I was there.
Yes, members can add titles to the database.

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Old 04-06-2015, 10:50 AM   #1466
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Recently watched the blu-ray, and was struck by how DNR'd some scenes looked. A victim of being a very early blu-ray I think. For the most part it's jaw-dropping, but I kind of wish they'd release it again with less tweaking and better encoding.
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Old 04-06-2015, 06:40 PM   #1467
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Recently watched the blu-ray, and was struck by how DNR'd some scenes looked. A victim of being a very early blu-ray I think. For the most part it's jaw-dropping, but I kind of wish they'd release it again with less tweaking and better encoding.
They weren't DNR'd, though. Robert Harris has been adamant about that.

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Old 04-06-2015, 10:24 PM   #1468
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People see DNR ghosts in the bushes now-a-days.
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Old 04-06-2015, 11:01 PM   #1470
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People see DNR ghosts in the bushes now-a-days.
I can see it now: come Halloween someone should dress up as the DNR Boogeyman.
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Old 04-06-2015, 11:07 PM   #1471
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Maybe it was just the way the film print looked after restoration. There's no denying that some shots do look a little odd in a way which slightly resembles DNR though.
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Old 04-06-2015, 11:15 PM   #1472
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I can see it now: come Halloween someone should dress up as the DNR Boogeyman.
I could double up my geek cred by dressing up as Odo.





Tell video nerds I'm a guy who's been DNR'ed.
Tell TREK fans I'm promoting the idea of DS9 in HD.
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Old 04-06-2015, 11:18 PM   #1473
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I could double up my geek cred by dressing up as Odo.





Tell video nerds I'm a guy who's been DNR'ed.
Tell TREK fans I'm promoting the idea of DS9 in HD.
Imagine if DS9 was remastered and a newcomer to the series watched it: "OMG the DNR is terrible, look at that dude's face!"
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Old 04-06-2015, 11:49 PM   #1474
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Maybe it was just the way the film print looked after restoration. There's no denying that some shots do look a little odd in a way which slightly resembles DNR though.
Really? There's no denying it? Care to suggest some frames or post some screencaps?
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Old 04-30-2015, 10:54 PM   #1475
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Some interesting info:

http://godfathermuseum.blogspot.com/...-comments.html

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I know that the bloody shootout at the Pizza Parlor death scene is gone for good. It was never actually finished. They spent a few days filming it before Coppola nixed it for good. When he viewed the dailys, he thought they looked absurdly ridiculous. It was so bloody that it was almost laughable, and he thought it might get them an X rating too, so he abandoned the scene midway thru shooting. All that remains is a few stills and I don't know whatever happened to the footage they shot.

As for the other major sequences, I know that they are "officially" lost. After Barry Malkin made the rough cut of The Saga, pretty much everything that he didn't use went in the dumpster. But almost every single frame ever shot was transferred to video in '76 so Malkin and Coppola could make the edit more easily on tape. After they made their videotape rough cut, the engineers at Paramount used the tape as a reference to make the film master for the Saga. But nobody knows if these tapes were archived or not.

Just for clarity, even if these tape transfers were saved or not, they likely would not be usable since they were time coded to match the film reels they were taken from, meaning they probably would look like this:



Paramount has treated the Godfather franchise pretty badly. From destroying all of the excess footage, to ruining the negatives and losing first gen interpositives, it's a pretty shameful history. Even the excess footage from Part III has been lost, which is why the original opening to that film, which was finally released as an extra to the DVD, was taken from Coppola's crappy VHS dub. And that footage went missing less than ten years after it was vaulted!

So I'm not very hopeful that we'll ever get any "new" footage down the pipeline. I'm pretty sure that the only extra footage we'll be privy to is all of the excess material that has been spread out over the decades in hundreds of different commercial releases throughout the world.
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Old 04-30-2015, 11:08 PM   #1476
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Robert Harris actually had to replace a couple shots in THE GODFATHER with outtakes from the negative trims because the shots were SO badly damaged they couldn't be repaired even digitally (he got permission from Coppola so long as the replacement shots resembled the original take used in the film so closely that not even the biggest expert on the film could tell them apart), so the reference above to all of the raw footage being thrown out after the creation of the "SAGA" edit simply cannot be true.

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Robert Harris actually had to replace a couple shots in THE GODFATHER with outtakes from the negative trims because the shots were SO badly damaged they couldn't be repaired even digitally (he got permission from Coppola so long as the replacement shots resembled the original take used in the film so closely that not even the biggest expert on the film could tell them apart), so the reference above to all of the raw footage being thrown out after the creation of the "SAGA" edit simply cannot be true.

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Paramount takes superb care of their elements.

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