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View Poll Results: What is your favourite Friday the 13th film(s)?
Friday the 13th (1980) 358 24.64%
Friday the 13th Part II 313 21.54%
Friday the 13th Part 3 3D 213 14.66%
Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter 449 30.90%
Friday the 13th Part V: A New Beginning 93 6.40%
Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason lives 361 24.85%
Friday the 13th Part VII: The New Blood 138 9.50%
Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan 83 5.71%
Jason Goes to Hell: The Final Friday 56 3.85%
Jason X 115 7.91%
Freddy Vs. Jason 139 9.57%
Friday the 13th (2009) 82 5.64%
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Old 07-12-2016, 01:25 PM   #13321
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One thing I always found funny is how Friday the 13th is often derided for "cheating" on the whodunit aspect. I never thought we were really supposed to suspect any of the core characters. Instead of a whodunit angle, I thought the killer was kept mostly unseen simply to add to the eeriness and for the surprise that it was a seemingly sweet older woman behind it all.
I agree, it isn't a mystery so there's no cheating. You don't expect it to be a mom (or a woman in general). Victor Miller (writer) said he envisioned someone more feminine than how they had Betsy appear in the movie, though. What's funny is now some people expect it to be hockey masked Jason at the end. So it still works. But back to the mystery aspect; I think one of the reasons for it seeming to play like a mystery is that Steve and Mrs Voorhees drive similar jeeps so it looks like Steve is being set up as a suspect, but I think this is in the movie just to confuse Alice and cause her to run straight to the killer. If she didn't think she recognized the jeep she would have stayed barricaded. The only other moment in the movie that can be seen as suspicious is Bill killing the snake.
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Old 07-12-2016, 02:20 PM   #13322
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They should've had Betsy Palmer appear as one of the customers in the diner at the beginning of the film.
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Old 07-12-2016, 04:04 PM   #13323
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How did Betsy Palmer manage to throw dead people through windows?

I respect what the original film tried to do, and Black Christmas is a solid slasher, but's just not as good as Halloween. It doesn't have the memorable score, as good of camera work, the entertaing characters or a finale that matches up with Halloween. The characters in Black Christmas come off as a bit more sophisticated, but also kind of flat in someways.
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Old 07-12-2016, 07:24 PM   #13324
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Something like this. I think Halloween is well, well above any Friday the 13th movie. Halloween 2 and 4 are probably roughly tied. The rest of Halloween is mostly garbage (the Myers films I mean, I love Halloween 3). The rest of Friday the 13th can be quite fun and enjoyable.
I love the first three Halloween movies. For me, though, the series basically ends at that point. I get a hankering to revisit the fourth film ever so often, but not enough to buy the disc.

With regard to Friday the 13th, the first two movies are the lion's roar for me, and none of the subsequent efforts measure up (although The Final Chapter comes close). They're all fun movies, though, and even the worst one (Jason Goes to Hell) has a good re-watch value.
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Old 07-12-2016, 08:09 PM   #13325
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With Friday's twist, I never felt that it was a whodunnit. I thought that the whole point was that the counselors weren't supposed to know Pamela, and that's what it's so tragic. The deaths were the product of a delusional mind, the same mind that Alice succumbs to at the very end.


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I respect what the original film tried to do, and Black Christmas is a solid slasher, but's just not as good as Halloween. It doesn't have the memorable score, as good of camera work, the entertaing characters or a finale that matches up with Halloween. The characters in Black Christmas come off as a bit more sophisticated, but also kind of flat in someways.
See, I think that everything Halloween did, Black Christmas did 10 times better. The score is not a memorable, but that piano slamming (Peter's angry soul emotionally incarnated) creates a scarier film than Carpenter's could ever hope to be. Drunk swearing Barb, Jess and innocent Claire have more dimension than Laurie, Annie, Linda and Loomis. That abortion subplot is huge. The camera work is way stronger in the blurred POV shots, the warped view of the home's interior, the cuts between the children and the unicorn death, and the zoom in to the bodies or weapons. Mrs Mac is also hilarious and shows a better sense of humor than Ghost Bob or Totally. The finales are matched for me. Myers is still 'out there', while Billy is still 'in there'.
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Old 07-12-2016, 08:59 PM   #13326
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See, I think that everything Halloween did, Black Christmas did 10 times better. The score is not a memorable, but that piano slamming (Peter's angry soul emotionally incarnated) creates a scarier film than Carpenter's could ever hope to be. Drunk swearing Barb, Jess and innocent Claire have more dimension than Laurie, Annie, Linda and Loomis. That abortion subplot is huge. The camera work is way stronger in the blurred POV shots, the warped view of the home's interior, the cuts between the children and the unicorn death, and the zoom in to the bodies or weapons. Mrs Mac is also hilarious and shows a better sense of humor than Ghost Bob or Totally. The finales are matched for me. Myers is still 'out there', while Billy is still 'in there'.
I appreciate what Bob Clark was trying to do, but I just didn't find Jess and her boyfriends issues to be all that interesting. I didn't care about Peter at all. This is probably why I find it to be a good movie, but not a great one. I think Donald and Jamie made the best of their characters. They're not overly deep on paper, but they're more memorable than the characters from Black Christmas. IMO.

Like I said, Clark took a more sophisticated approach that what Carpenter ended up taking, but I felt the abortion subplot was hindrance more than anything. Perhaps that's because I've never given the issue much thought. It kind of just go in the way.
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Old 07-13-2016, 12:55 AM   #13327
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Black Christmas is the scariest of the bunch. Halloween is my favorite for nostalgia reasons. Friday is the one I watch the most. Not sure how all three statements can be true but that's where I stand.

All three obliterate Nightmare and Texas Chainsaw in my eyes (sacrilege probably).
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Old 07-13-2016, 02:17 AM   #13328
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How did Betsy Palmer manage to throw dead people through windows?
She was pretty butch...
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Old 07-13-2016, 05:01 AM   #13329
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She was pretty butch...
... and had Savini's strong hands!

You always hear stories of mothers having bursts of exceptional strength when defending or trying to save their children. Guess it works the same way when avenging your child!
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Old 07-13-2016, 05:19 AM   #13330
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She was pretty butch...
With a cable-knit top and abilty to heavy lift like that, you expect her to chew dip.
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Old 07-13-2016, 09:12 AM   #13331
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With a cable-knit top and abilty to heavy lift like that, you expect her to chew dip.
Is that a euphemism?
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Old 07-25-2016, 06:40 AM   #13332
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Does anyone know where you can purchase this set for a resonable price? Doesnt have to bebrand new but in pretty good condition.

I've checked all the major places but only found it on Amazon & eBay for $300. Im wanting to get it for my mom's bday (yes they are her fav movies...she says they remind her of the drive-in days lol). I would give $100 maybe a little over.

I know some people on here know borderline secret places that might have it lol

Also why is it oop? Im sure this has been discussed and I apologize since I only skimmed the last few pages.

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Does anyone know where you can purchase this set for a resonable price? Doesnt have to bebrand new but in pretty good condition.

I've checked all the major places but only found it on Amazon & eBay for $300. Im wanting to get it for my mom's bday (yes they are her fav movies...she says they remind her of the drive-in days lol). I would give $100 maybe a little over.

I know some people on here know bosrderline secret places that might have it lol

Also why is it oop? Im sure this has been discussed and I apologize since I only skimmed the last few pages.

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It's OOP because Warner had the rights to several hundred Paramount titles for three years. It's possible Paramount will release the same set, but that doesn't help you right now. Unfortunately, this set is difficult to find at a reasonable price. I would try eBay and even Best Buy. It's a long shot, but they may have an unsold copy where you are located. Good luck.
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Old 07-25-2016, 08:11 AM   #13334
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See, I think that everything Halloween did, Black Christmas did 10 times better. The score is not a memorable, but that piano slamming (Peter's angry soul emotionally incarnated) creates a scarier film than Carpenter's could ever hope to be. Drunk swearing Barb, Jess and innocent Claire have more dimension than Laurie, Annie, Linda and Loomis. That abortion subplot is huge. The camera work is way stronger in the blurred POV shots, the warped view of the home's interior, the cuts between the children and the unicorn death, and the zoom in to the bodies or weapons. Mrs Mac is also hilarious and shows a better sense of humor than Ghost Bob or Totally. The finales are matched for me. Myers is still 'out there', while Billy is still 'in there'.
I love both films immensely, but no way is BC 10 times better than Halloween (even thought that's your opinion of course). From a technical standpoint, I think Halloween has the edge. Carpenters chilling direction, Cundey's cinematography, the most iconic horror score to ever grace the silver screen, a memorable killer with no real motivation and the most iconic mask ever...it really is a perfect storm of horror celluloid!

Don't get me wrong though, BC is a masterpiece all its own. Billy is completely insane (and we NEVER see his face, which is awesome), and that organ score is bone chilling. I still watch it every Christmas!
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Technical prowess isn't everything. As always, Carpenter is a master of scope framing, but I think Black Christmas blows Halloween away in virtually every other area. Stronger atmosphere and sense of character camaraderie, the rare case of comedy relief (all the police station bits) that doesn't detract from the dread and a killer who is monstrous in his psychosis, but still cognizant enough to keep the upper hand. The fact that we never fully see him or learn his identity makes it infinitely more effective, and the phone calls are positively nightmarish (the opening of When a Stranger Calls is a joke in comparison). The kills scenes possess far more power; the raw animalism of Clare's asphyxiation, the stunningly edited unicorn stabbing sequence. Also, little moments that add so much, like the unsettling repeat of the wart line and, during the search for the girl in the park, the reactions of the characters that just perfectly convey the gravity of the situation. I'm also one of the few who greatly prefers the Black Christmas score to that of Halloween. Pure dread in and of itself.
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It's OOP because Warner had the rights to several hundred Paramount titles for three years. It's possible Paramount will release the same set, but that doesn't help you right now. Unfortunately, this set is difficult to find at a reasonable price. I would try eBay and even Best Buy. It's a long shot, but they may have an unsold copy where you are located. Good luck.
Paramount doesn't own the rights to JGH, Jason X, Freddy vs Jason and Fiday the 13th (2009). So unless they get the rights for these from Warner, which I think is highly unlikely, they won't be re-releasing this set.
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It's OOP because Warner had the rights to several hundred Paramount titles for three years. It's possible Paramount will release the same set, but that doesn't help you right now. Unfortunately, this set is difficult to find at a reasonable price. I would try eBay and even Best Buy. It's a long shot, but they may have an unsold copy where you are located. Good luck.
I'd check FYE and used stores as well, those are usually good places to go to find recently OOP releases before others snag them. FYE carried the 2-packs of the first 8 movies as well I believe.
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Technical prowess isn't everything. As always, Carpenter is a master of scope framing, but I think Black Christmas blows Halloween away in virtually every other area. Stronger atmosphere and sense of character camaraderie, the rare case of comedy relief (all the police station bits) that doesn't detract from the dread and a killer who is monstrous in his psychosis, but still cognizant enough to keep the upper hand. The fact that we never fully see him or learn his identity makes it infinitely more effective, and the phone calls are positively nightmarish (the opening of When a Stranger Calls is a joke in comparison). The kills scenes possess far more power; the raw animalism of Clare's asphyxiation, the stunningly edited unicorn stabbing sequence. Also, little moments that add so much, like the unsettling repeat of the wart line and, during the search for the girl in the park, the reactions of the characters that just perfectly convey the gravity of the situation. I'm also one of the few who greatly prefers the Black Christmas score to that of Halloween. Pure dread in and of itself.
You make some good points but to me the comedy sometimes falls flat for BC...like the old lady...couldn't stand her. Also the cop humor was pretty bad too. It makes the movie a tad uneven. But what it lacks in comedy, it more than makes up for in atmosphere.

Both are 5/5 movies, so I'm really just splitting hairs. They really are 2 of the most important films ever made in my mind. And it's nice that they're not really that much alike from a technical standpoint. 2 different types of beauty if you ask me.
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You make some good points but to me the comedy sometimes falls flat for BC...like the old lady...couldn't stand her. Also the cop humor was pretty bad too. It makes the movie a tad uneven. But what it lacks in comedy, it more than makes up for in atmosphere.

Both are 5/5 movies, so I'm really just splitting hairs. They really are 2 of the most important films ever made in my mind. And it's nice that they're not really that much alike from a technical standpoint. 2 different types of beauty if you ask me.

I will agree about Mrs. Mac. She is pretty annoying. I do get a kick out of the cop stuff, though, in part due to Saxon and the other desk cop selling it so well.

Another thing Halloween does have in it's favor. Loomis is a powerhouse.
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