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Old 01-19-2018, 08:35 PM   #801
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Yes -- I think we've determined that future Warner 3D releases will be distributed under the Warner Archive (manufacture on demand) label. The only exception seems to be limited-run exclusives, like the BR 2049 3D w/ slipcover.
That wouldn't surprise me, but it's the first time I've noticed the UPC changed -- I think I've bought the exclusive or international of all the items so far that seem to be part of the WAC line now.

US Woman Woman, King Arthur, and Skull Island 3D (non exclusive) are also listed/coded as WAC though all the 3D discs still appear to have warnervideo.com and not warnerarchive.com on the artwork and WAC isn't on the label anywhere.

WarnerArchive.com doesn't list them and WBSHOP doesn't filter them under the WAC label (yet)
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That wouldn't surprise me, but it's the first time I've noticed the UPC changed -- I think I've bought the exclusive or international of all the items so far that seem to be part of the WAC line now.

US Woman Woman, King Arthur, and Skull Island 3D (non exclusive) are also listed/coded as WAC though all the 3D discs still appear to have warnervideo.com and not warnerarchive.com on the artwork and WAC isn't on the label anywhere.

WarnerArchive.com doesn't list them and WBSHOP doesn't filter them under the WAC label (yet)
They can distribute/label their 3D releases however they want. I'm just glad we're still getting them. Best advice is to pre-order a 3D release as soon as it's available, or else you may face a long delay (see Lego Ninjago and Geostorm).
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Old 01-19-2018, 08:41 PM   #803
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Yes -- I think we've determined that future Warner 3D releases will be distributed under the Warner Archive (manufacture on demand) label. The only exception seems to be limited-run exclusives, like the BR 2049 3D w/ slipcover.
Eureka. Thanks.

Is mastering a disc with an Atmos track any more technically complicated than DTS HD-MA? I'm wonder whether the desire to have all 3D BDs (at least in the U.S.) have the same audio track led to the 'lowest common denominator' decision of "only" using DTS HD-MA on the 3D BD given that some of those discs are MOD.
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Old 01-19-2018, 08:55 PM   #804
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Ha, I cancelled my order when I got the email that it wasn't going to ship until mid-February, and instead picked up a copy from my closest BestBuy.

Just received the cancelled copy in the mail and I wasn't charged for it. FFS BestBuy, fix your logistics!
Best Buy probably doesn't care. I'm sure the distributor (Alliance) eats the cost when they ship something that was canceled.
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Old 01-19-2018, 09:17 PM   #805
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post earlier in the thread and the database pic even has an item with a different UPC though I wonder if that one was discontinued since I can't find any site that has it listed and google search is empty

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Old 01-19-2018, 09:25 PM   #806
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From what I can tell Deakins hates 3d and dislikes HDR. So I guess purist version of this would be standard 2d 1080p Blu ray.
4K DI which probably was in DCI-P3...
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4K DI which probably was in DCI-P3...
SDR rec709 is closer to SDR DCI-p3 than HDR DCI-p3 is.
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It has the picture with that UPC, but the UPC doesn't pull up in any of the standard UPC database searches and the only google search for that specific UPC comes back to this site. Even oldies doesn't list it under that UPC in the details, but does list it was WAC. I've yet to see someone who received that specific UPC including the Ebay sales who have an actual pic.

I wonder is that was a stock photo or an item that was changed later. I don't know where oldies gets their photos from. At least I don't think those are pictures of actual stock items.

It's obviously not a big deal at all since it wouldn't be the first item to have a UPC change pre-release, but just a curiosity

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Old 01-19-2018, 09:32 PM   #809
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They can distribute/label their 3D releases however they want. I'm just glad we're still getting them. Best advice is to pre-order a 3D release as soon as it's available, or else you may face a long delay (see Lego Ninjago and Geostorm).
Never been one that cared or understood the fascination/demand that an item be in hand on release date. As long as it's not an exclusive or limited edition item, I'm perfectly fine with waiting a week/month/year for most items.

From the last several releases it's pretty obvious even how early you get the preorder in has little bearing on when you get it anyway
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When I do a lookup of that UPC it doesn't show up in any databases.

https://www.barcodelookup.com/883929571871
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Old 01-19-2018, 09:34 PM   #811
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SDR rec709 is closer to SDR DCI-p3 than HDR DCI-p3 is.
2049 doesn't get very bright on the UHD though, peaking at something like 184 nits.

So, no, I'd disagree. The UHD is probably the most faithful 2D presentation.

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FYI, one of my local Best Buys had one copy of BR2049 3D even though the website said that it was out of stock. I think I've heard before if they have two or less of something then the website shows it as OOS.
Same here at the Best Buy in Emeryville, CA. Just saw one copy there about an hour ago. Near the entrance and to the right. I have one coming from Amazon.ca already.
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Old 01-19-2018, 10:26 PM   #813
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I am no expert when it comes to 3D, 2D, 4K, video and audio.

As a non-expert who doesn't make a living making and reviewing movies, and with a non-expert opinion that counts for nothing much @ all, and even less in the world of ultra high end audio, here's what I found about Blade Runner 2049 3D Blu-ray:

• The 3D impact is very minimal, inferior. The picture is too foggy, cloudy in general. I lost focus, colors, perspective, depth, substance, energy, essence. It's only fun for the occasional shots, but nothing to sweat about. I would give it 66 roughly, out of 100. It is not a top tiers 3D flick, not a middle tiers, but the last tiers. And the sound, as I mentioned before, is inferior too, when compared to the 2D Blu and 4K UHD/HDR Blu. The difference is substantial, big.

If you want to see and hear Blade Runner 2049 in higher level, watch the 2D version that comes in the case.

And for the ultimate visuals, the 4K version beats both the 2D and 3D 1080p versions.

I am not an expert, I love 3D big time, if Blade Runner 2049 3D on Blu was nice enough I would say so, but in my non-expert opinion this 3D Blu title is not; it falls way short and I am not surprised.

This is a case where the 4K UHD package is the superior one bar none.
I've been @ it (3D) since the beginning...Avatar, and I accumulated several hundred 3D Blu-ray titles; some recent ones I love...Valerian, Ghost in the Shell, ... but Blade Runner 2049 falls way short of them.
As for the audio, it is a disgrace to not have the same offered by the 4K and regular 2D 1080p version.
It is obvious right from the very beginning that the audio is much inferior on the 3D Blu-ray version.

I am not an audio/video expert, I'm just a normal human living on planet earth with a heart and soul inside a body and spirit. My opinion means nothing, I just love 3D big big time. BR2049 unfortunately doesn't shine in 3D, and audio wise when compared to other 3D Blu-ray titles and when compared to the much superior movie experience of the Blak 4K package.

Some titles I don't mind double dipping, like I did again here. There is no way I will revisit this 3D version.
I just love audio too much, bass that shakes the foundations of life's essence, and 3D quality movie experience.

Blade Runner 2049 is . . . an awesome visual and auditive moving experience, just not from the 3D version, but from the 2D versions...2K, and 4K. So the 4K Blak plastic or steelbook package (for steel lovers) is the superior experience by a large margin, IMHO as a non-expert audio/video nobody.

Have a great weekend, with Blade Runner 2049.
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As a non-expert opinion; it is a shame, a big unnecessary shame.
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I've heard differently concerning the 3D from some of my fellow OLED owners (and have seen more superlative terms to describe it), and since the UHD disc is not encoded with Dolby Vision (a must have for me), the choice is easy.
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Best Buy probably doesn't care. I'm sure the distributor (Alliance) eats the cost when they ship something that was canceled.
Yes, that's correct. Alliance services bestbuy.com and if they accidentally shipped a canceled order, Alliance eats it, not Best Buy.
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I've heard differently concerning the 3D from some of my fellow OLED owners (and have seen more superlative terms to describe it), and since the UHD disc is not encoded with Dolby Vision (a must have for me), the choice is easy.
Hi Vinnie.

The different comments on the 3D version are they from another site?
You have links? Curiosity only.

Dolby Vision is nice, but this title is not.

Audio is 50% of the movie experience in the year 2018, IMO, and the Atmos audio of the 2D version of this title is so much superior than the 3D version with DTS-HD MA 5.1. My ears don't lie, even if I'm not an expert.

On this particular 3D BR title I disagree with few 3D movie reviewers.
They gave it a pass, I did not. I so wanted to too. ...No way.

This flick demands the 2D viewing experience, visually, color wise, details wise, balance wise and supremely importantly...audio wise.

4K HDR Blu-ray is the best for Blade Runner 2049. ...Warner Bros version because I don't have yet the Sony version. ...Next month...no rush.
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Old 01-20-2018, 01:10 AM   #817
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On this particular 3D BR title I disagree with few 3D movie reviewers.
They gave it a pass, I did not. I so wanted to too. ...No way.
What TV or projector are using to view the movie? I can't believe it would make that much of difference compared to what those other positive viewers of the 3D version saw, but who knows?

(3D movies I've viewed on my old Panasonic 3D plasma which I thought were merely "meh" became vibrant, enjoyable, and passable (to me) when viewed on my LG OLED 3D set.)
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I am no expert when it comes to 3D, 2D, 4K, video and audio.

As a non-expert who doesn't make a living making and reviewing movies, and with a non-expert opinion that counts for nothing much @ all, and even less in the world of ultra high end audio, here's what I found about Blade Runner 2049 3D Blu-ray:

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• The 3D impact is very minimal, inferior. The picture is too foggy, cloudy in general. I lost focus, colors, perspective, depth, substance, energy, essence. It's only fun for the occasional shots, but nothing to sweat about. I would give it 66 roughly, out of 100. It is not a top tiers 3D flick, not a middle tiers, but the last tiers. And the sound, as I mentioned before, is inferior too, when compared to the 2D Blu and 4K UHD/HDR Blu. The difference is substantial, big.

If you want to see and hear Blade Runner 2049 in higher level, watch the 2D version that comes in the case.

And for the ultimate visuals, the 4K version beats both the 2D and 3D 1080p versions.

I am not an expert, I love 3D big time, if Blade Runner 2049 3D on Blu was nice enough I would say so, but in my non-expert opinion this 3D Blu title is not; it falls way short and I am not surprised.

This is a case where the 4K UHD package is the superior one bar none.
I've been @ it (3D) since the beginning...Avatar, and I accumulated several hundred 3D Blu-ray titles; some recent ones I love...Valerian, Ghost in the Shell, ... but Blade Runner 2049 falls way short of them.
As for the audio, it is a disgrace to not have the same offered by the 4K and regular 2D 1080p version.
It is obvious right from the very beginning that the audio is much inferior on the 3D Blu-ray version.

I am not an audio/video expert, I'm just a normal human living on planet earth with a heart and soul inside a body and spirit. My opinion means nothing, I just love 3D big big time. BR2049 unfortunately doesn't shine in 3D, and audio wise when compared to other 3D Blu-ray titles and when compared to the much superior movie experience of the Blak 4K package.

Some titles I don't mind double dipping, like I did again here. There is no way I will revisit this 3D version.
I just love audio too much, bass that shakes the foundations of life's essence, and 3D quality movie experience.

Blade Runner 2049 is . . . an awesome visual and auditive moving experience, just not from the 3D version, but from the 2D versions...2K, and 4K. So the 4K Blak plastic or steelbook package (for steel lovers) is the superior experience by a large margin, IMHO as a non-expert audio/video nobody.

Have a great weekend, with Blade Runner 2049.
____

Warner Bros and Sony, and other studios, probably don't put Atmos on their 3D BR releases because there's not enough space, not enough money, and not enough incentive.
As a non-expert opinion; it is a shame, a big unnecessary shame.
They won in what they're trying to do; annoying their 3D fans and customers who support them with their money, our money, my money.
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I've heard differently concerning the 3D from some of my fellow OLED owners (and have seen more superlative terms to describe it), and since the UHD disc is not encoded with Dolby Vision (a must have for me), the choice is easy.
I have to agree with LotR on this one. Watched the 3D disc on my C6 OLED last night. My overall thought is that the film is just too dark and foggy for 3D to really have any meaningful impact. Sure, there are a few nice shots that add a great sense of depth, especially scenes involving Joi. Honestly, you're not missing much by watching it in 2D, and I don't say that lightly.

I thought the DTS-HD MA track was spectacular, although I haven't listened to the Atmos track yet.
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Audio is 50% of the movie experience in the year 2018, IMO, and the Atmos audio of the 2D versin of this title is so much superior than the 3D version with DTS-HD MA 5.1.
May be related to your equipment. I did make a quick subjective comparison between the 3D and 2D discs yesterday and they both sounded equally great to me. I don't have additional Atmos speakers though (although my AVR is Atmos-capable).
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Ears actually lie quite often. There's a whole industry selling audiophile snake oil built on it.
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Nothing wrong with that. Everybody has different expectations. Some people want to see spectacular popout effects etc., others are mostly interested in depth or more subtle dimensionality that increases immersion.
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Received mine from BB.com today. No slip cover, and the UPC was 888574587239. When it came back in stock on Tuesday, it was no longer the BB exclusive. They're now shipping the MOD version... The print on the back of the slip cover was not the quality of a proper BD release, either.
That's what all the SKUs were for. I had ordered one of each, not sure what was happening, and had all but one canceled by Best Buy, the one with the slip, which arrived in fine shape.

Then another, slipless version showed up with GeoStorm 3D (which BB shows as "delayed" and not yet delivered -- okay ...) and you're right. Different SKU, and the cover back is an amalgamation of the exclusive slip (Movies Anywhere) and the back cover of the exclusive.

Weird.
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