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Old 01-09-2016, 03:41 AM   #1
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Default 3D Fanatics: HDR UHD 4K vs HD 3D?

4K UHD doesn't and and may (probably) never support 3D. I think its sad really, as 3D is immersive and awesome.

Will studios continue to make 3D Blu-rays? Will there be a UHD / 3D Combo pack?

Movies like The Martian and Mad Max both have excellent 3D and will both be available in UHD before year-end.

I don't know if I'd rather watch a film in HDR UHD or HD 3D. I like 3D a lot but with the glasses on, I'm not real sure I'd even see the benefit of 4K 3D (if it was available)...even on my 136" screen.

I also can't imagine re-watching films just to see it in HDR UHD and again in 3D. I kinda have a hard time believing HDR is more immersive than 3D...

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Old 01-09-2016, 03:58 AM   #2
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Its a matter of personal taste and enjoyment of 3D.

There have been no 4K 3D movies made, all 3D has been 2K due to DCP specs theaters use.

I hope they make 3D combo packs, but I doubt it. I will usually go for 3D over 4K though.
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Old 01-09-2016, 03:59 AM   #3
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Honestly, I'm not as impressed with 3D as I used to be. Unless it's jaw droopingly good, I'll be bypassing 3D and get the 4K versions.
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Old 01-09-2016, 04:18 AM   #4
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3-D for me.

Especially for 2015 onwards.

Recent 3-D films are slowly but surely getting away from the 2.5D releases and getting closer to true 3-D. Not quite as strong as the 50's or 80's titles, but it's still progress. There are few shallow 2.5D films out there like Inside Out and Insurgent 3D, but that's slowly going by the wayside.
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Old 01-09-2016, 04:44 AM   #5
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If the movie had a 2k DI its a no brainer. Unless the 3D is total garbage on the level of Clash of the Titans then 3D over upconverted Ultra HD anyday. Its why I am baffled at 2k finished 3D movies getting released on the format because it will inevitably by a downgrade

If its a true 4k movie then it might be a tougher choice it would probably depend on just how good the 3D was and how much the movie relied on it
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Old 01-09-2016, 04:56 AM   #6
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3D for me. I won't get too upset about it. There aren't that many 4K movies to begin with, so my UHD BD purchase will be very selective. Only for the movies I know that are properly produced in 4K. No up scaling nonsense.

HFR 3D on the other hand, is something I really want to see happen.
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Does it have to be either/or? Is it okay for me to buy both the 3DBD and the UHD-BD? Because that's my plan.
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Old 01-09-2016, 06:54 PM   #8
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Old 01-09-2016, 07:25 PM   #9
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I'm not interested in buying anything in 4K if its also available in 3D. So basically nothing from WB at launch.
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I think a lot of people are jumping to a lot of conclusions really based one information we have so far about 1 title, The Martian.

We haven't seen full details on almost any of the UHD releases so far.

Keep in mind that the Shout IMAX movies are being released with 3D and 4K in the same bundle.
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I think a lot of people are jumping to a lot of conclusions really based one information we have so far about 1 title, The Martian.

We haven't seen full details on almost any of the UHD releases so far.

Keep in mind that the Shout IMAX movies are being released with 3D and 4K in the same bundle.
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Apparently the Fox 4K titles like The Martian, X-Men and Exodus come with the 3D BD disc. I thought it was a typo so I contacted FoxConnect and they confirmed it. There will not be a 2D BD disc in the combo pack.

4K + 3D is fantastic and something I hope all studios do for 3D movies.
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Apparently the Fox 4K titles like The Martian, X-Men and Exodus come with the 3D BD disc. I thought it was a typo so I contacted FoxConnect and they confirmed it. There will not be a 2D BD disc in the combo pack.

4K + 3D is fantastic and something I hope all studios do for 3D movies.



According to the specs the Fox combo packs have two discs, a 2-D 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray and a 2-D 1080P Blu-ray.


http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Exodus-Gods-and-Kings-4K-Blu-ray/145678/


http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Martian-4K-Blu-ray/147430/


I would like to see 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray and 1080P Blu-ray 3-D combo packs (It would also require consumers to upgrade all their Blu-ray players to 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray player models in order to see the movie in 2-D on a standard HD display since the studios in general lock the 3-D movies for playback on only 3-D equipment).There is currently a problem with not including a standard 2-D 1080P Blu-ray in the package. For starters, it would cause massive consumer confusion since the average consumer would see the words Blu-ray on the movie jacket in the store and then they would not understand why they could not play the movie in their standard 1080P Blu-ray player. Then there is the issue of those consumers wondering why a 4K Ultra HD upscaling Blu-ray player will not play 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray discs. All manufactories of Blu-ray players should stop making upscaling 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray players to avoid more consumer confusion.


I wish the industry would have used another name for the new format besides 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray to avoid consumer confusion. Until the vast majority of consumers upgrade all their players to 4K Ultra HD models, then the studios are going to most likely include a 2-D 1080P version of the movie in the package.


Perhaps one day studios will release single disc titles with only one 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray disc. If the name of the new format did not contain the words Blu-ray, then it would stop the confusion. When words like BETA, VHS, Laserdisc, DVD, and Blu-ray is used, consumers understand that those are all different formats that are not compatible with each other.


It would have been neat if the new format was called 4K DVD and contained a mandatory 480i DVD layer that would have allowed consumers to play the disc in any DVD player since 1997. Then when played in a 4K DVD player the movie would offer 4K video with lossless audio. Such a format would end the confusion and be popular since it has the word DVD in the format name.
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Fox would have to make a new 3d encode to include a 3d/2d disc here and I don't see that happening
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I have yet to see an actual 4K HDR movie with my own eyes, but i'd take 3D over 4K.
I don't know if i'd take 3D over HDR.

My question is, is HDR 3D possible?
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According to the specs the Fox combo packs have two discs, a 2-D 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray and a 2-D 1080P Blu-ray.


http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Exodus-Gods-and-Kings-4K-Blu-ray/145678/


http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Martian-4K-Blu-ray/147430/


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I'm sure Blu-ray.com is never wrong....

https://www.foxconnect.com/the-martian-3d-1.html

It's possible FoxConnect themselves is also wrong. When they emailed me and said the 4K disc was being bundled with the 3D disc I replied to ask them to verify and hadn't heard back. Here's what they said the first time:

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Thank you for your email and interest in Fox products. Exodus, The Martian and X-Men: Days of Future Past 4K are 2-disc sets. Disc one is the Theatrical Feature Blu-ray 3D and disc two is the Theatrical Feature Blu-ray. Should you require any additional assistance please do not hesitate to contact us.

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I have yet to see an actual 4K HDR movie with my own eyes, but i'd take 3D over 4K.

I don't know if i'd take 3D over HDR.



My question is, is HDR 3D possible?
Not officially. The Blu-ray association seems very quick to dismiss any questions of 4K 3D, unfortunately.
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If they don't include the 3D with the 4K then I will buy neither until:

1) They do

2) I can buy both separately for around $25

I just hate being forced to choose. Charge a little more, OK, but give me the whole package.
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If they don't include the 3D with the 4K then I will buy neither until:

1) They do

2) I can buy both separately for around $25

I just hate being forced to choose. Charge a little more, OK, but give me the whole package.
According to the FoxConnect website and the email I got from them, the 4K Combo pack includes the UHD BD and the 3D BD. I think that might be incorrect, but it'd be awesome if they were both included.

Even if they are both in there, the question still remains, which would you prefer to watch...
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Even if they are both in there, the question still remains, which would you prefer to watch...
A movie that's made for 3D I would lean toward that. Otherwise 4K...that is, if I have an HDR-capable 4K TV (which I don't), or the movie was transferred from a 4K DI (which will certainty not be the case with any movie that has a 3D alternative). So at the present time I would prefer the 3D version.
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