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Old 04-22-2017, 10:37 AM   #41
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All the Samsung TV that will support HDR 10+(2016/2017 models) should already have all these apps built in via their smart TV platform. So having them on the player is just redundent.
Not redundant, you're forgetting about the audio!

Assuming (as is the current situation as we know it) that even if the player supported HDR 10+, it wouldn't be able to send it down the HDMI cable to the TV because it's not a HDMI2.1 connection.

Also, bearing in mind that HDMI ARC audio is limited to lossy 5.1 1990's audio, as it was designed as a direct replacement for optical S/PDIF. I know that some TVs can go outside the spec with ARC and support more, but Samsung TVs do not and they stick to the spec. Maximum of lossy 5.1, just like on a DVD, 20 years ago.

Therefore, my choices for watching an Amazon streaming video are:
1. Run the amazon app on the TV. Blisteringly fast and slick UI. HDR possible (and HDR10+ will be later). But because it's using ARC for audio, only 1990's lossy 5.1 sound.
2. Run the amazon app on the UHD blu-ray player. Sluggish slow UI. HDR possible (and HDR10+ won't be coming down the cable, ever). But using HDMI for audio, "DD+" better quality 5.1 sound. That's what I've been using so far for this reason.

So it's currently better to use the player for Amazon video, not the TV. But the HDR10+ future will make this a choice between good audio OR good video. It'll be:
1. Run on TV. HDR10+ video (good). ARC audio (bad).
2. Run on player. HDR10 video only (not as good). DD+ audio (better).
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Old 04-26-2017, 11:36 PM   #42
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FWIW: I've had the M9500 for a couple of days now, so if anyone has any questions, let me know. You already know that the front is curved.

So far with 4 titles, it plays great. TV is a 65KS8000.

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FWIW: I've had the M9500 for a couple of days now, so if anyone has any questions, let me know. You already know that the front is curved.

So far with 4 titles, it plays great. TV is a 65KS8000.

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Do you use an AV receiver by any chance? Or does the new player show color depth information? If so, can you check if the player displays content in 10 bit? The K8500 did so if you set Color Format to Auto or 4:4:4 and Deep Color to Off. Some of the other players only display in either 8 bit or 12 bit.

Would also be interesting to see how it handles Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk if you have it, since it's 60p. The K8500, with Color Space set to Auto or 4:4:4 and Deep Color Off, downconverted 4:4:4 to 4:2:0 and displayed the picture in 10 bit HDR @ 60fps.
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FWIW: I've had the M9500 for a couple of days now, so if anyone has any questions, let me know. You already know that the front is curved.

So far with 4 titles, it plays great. TV is a 65KS8000.

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Is it loud(in comparison to k8500, Sony or any other player you may have had)?
What does it output? 10 bit like the k8500 or 12 bit like Sony and others?
Is there any option for the auto calibrate thing? Does it work or do anything special with you KS8000?
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Old 04-27-2017, 09:43 AM   #45
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Would also be interesting to see how it handles Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk if you have it, since it's 60p. The K8500, with Color Space set to Auto or 4:4:4 and Deep Color Off, downconverted 4:4:4 to 4:2:0 and displayed the picture in 10 bit HDR @ 60fps.
You are aware that it's not 4:4:4 on the disc? the only "downconversion to 4:4:4" would have been to undo the "upconversion" it did from what was on the disc I believe.
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You are aware that it's not 4:4:4 on the disc? the only "downconversion to 4:4:4" would have been to undo the "upconversion" it did from what was on the disc I believe.
Maybe it was the wrong term to use. My point was that the K8500 didn't have any options other than Auto or 4:4:4, but even if you said it to 4:4:4, it knew to properly use 4:2:0 for 60p content and to output 10 bit HDR. I read that some other players had issues with that disc not playing in 10 bit HDR.
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Just bought this player today and it's actually really nice. I feel like I'm not missing anything moving to it from the Sony PQ wise and it plays perfect on my KS8000 where the Sony would skip and stutter.

One thing I noticed is the colors seam much richer. Rewatching some episodes of planet earth 2 the vibrancy of the colors literally had me say wow and was immediately noticeable in comparison to the Sony. The unit is much smaller, lighter and not as solid as the Sony and feels the same build as the K8500.

The player outputs a 10 bit signal which was the problem with my TV and the Sony. My TV just did not like the 12 bit signal even though I know other KS owners have the Sony player and have zero issues with it.

I like the little screen on the front, not much info but is a cool little touch. I love the UI and it is very like the KS tvs. It's nice you can hit the menu button and pull up the hub just like the TV and it doesn't stop the movie. It's very snappy and overall the player has been pretty quiet.

I have not tried any regular blu's in this player yet. I have tested Amazon, Netflix and Youtube. HDR is working beautifully from all of them and I am happy to report Amazon and Netflix both play in the native 24p. Now if the Vudu app would just support UHD on this player I could sell my Roku to make up for the difference in price lol. I do get DD+ from Amazon, Netflix and Vudu so the Atmos demos on Vudu play perfectly as well.

Also just check Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk and my Denon is reporting 60p BT2020 10 bit. Not sure if its 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 though.
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Old 04-30-2017, 10:43 AM   #48
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Also just check Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk and my Denon is reporting 60p BT2020 10 bit. Not sure if its 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 though.
Yes, this is a bug which Denon refuses to fix (I've tried reporting it as a support ticket - the more people who do this the better!).

When the Colour Space is BT.2020 or x.v.Color, the Chroma sub-sampling information (4:4:4 or 4:2:2 or 4:2:0) is not displayed and it is MISSING. I want to know this information.

And, by the same token, when the DO display the Chroma sub-sampling information, but wrongly call it "Colour Space", they do not display the Colour Space. Is it rec.709? Is it BT.2020? Is it sYCC601? Is it Adobe RGB? Is it Adobe YCC601?

Thanks for your detailed post. You didn't mention the fan. Is there still a fan?
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Yes, this is a bug which Denon refuses to fix (I've tried reporting it as a support ticket - the more people who do this the better!).

When the Colour Space is BT.2020 or x.v.Color, the Chroma sub-sampling information (4:4:4 or 4:2:2 or 4:2:0) is not displayed and it is MISSING. I want to know this information.

And, by the same token, when the DO display the Chroma sub-sampling information, but wrongly call it "Colour Space", they do not display the Colour Space. Is it rec.709? Is it BT.2020? Is it sYCC601? Is it Adobe RGB? Is it Adobe YCC601?

Thanks for your detailed post. You didn't mention the fan. Is there still a fan?
Yes there is a fan or at least it looks like it does. I have not heard it come on and for the most part the player has been pretty quiet. Another thing I noticed is there is no kind of auto adjustments going on for the picture. HDR kicks in the HDR settings on my TV same as the K8500 and X800 did. Seams to be something supported by Samsung's 2017 TV's as someone on the Owner's thread on AVS has a Q9 and says it does change his settings disc to disc.

Also I forgot when playing Billy Lynn's the AVR reports BT.2020 YCbCr but your right no subsampling info. When I played it on the X800 it only reported YCbCr but no pixel depth.
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Yes, this is a bug which Denon refuses to fix (I've tried reporting it as a support ticket - the more people who do this the better!).

When the Colour Space is BT.2020 or x.v.Color, the Chroma sub-sampling information (4:4:4 or 4:2:2 or 4:2:0) is not displayed and it is MISSING. I want to know this information.

And, by the same token, when the DO display the Chroma sub-sampling information, but wrongly call it "Colour Space", they do not display the Colour Space. Is it rec.709? Is it BT.2020? Is it sYCC601? Is it Adobe RGB? Is it Adobe YCC601?

Thanks for your detailed post. You didn't mention the fan. Is there still a fan?
I always thought the bug was with 4:2:2 regardless of colour space, as when I feed my X2200 a 4:2:2 signal in either 709 or 2020 it doesn't show the subsampling at all.
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It's not the greatest discount, but Best Buy has it on sale for $369.98. Abt Electronics and Amazon have it for $368.

Someone on AVS says the M9500 will get Vudu UHD support soon. That would be nice.
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I always thought the bug was with 4:2:2 regardless of colour space, as when I feed my X2200 a 4:2:2 signal in either 709 or 2020 it doesn't show the subsampling at all.
Very interesting. I've got no way of feeding my X4200 a known 4:2:2 signal.

I have the Samsung UBD-K8500 player. When I play various DVDs, the Denon always reports Rec.709 and either 4:2:0 (if I set resolution to "Auto" or 2160p) or 4:4:4 (if I force the player res to 1080p or 576p/480p).

When I play HDR content from UHD BD, the Denon always reports BT.2020 with no chroma information if I set resolution to "Auto" or 2160p, for HDMI colour format output setting of Auto or YCbCr(4:4:4). [ie all 4 combinations]. The HDMI mode it's using can only be 4:2:2 or 4:4:4, as 4K24 10-bit 4:2:0 is not a valid HDMI mode.

However if I force the output resolution to 1080p, the Denon and TV are clearly still in BT2020 (you can see the Denon's menu colours are forced into the WCG) yet the Denon Info screen shows 4:4:4 with no "BT2020".

This does seem to back up the idea that it was 4:2:2 earlier. Hmm.

The Denon screen layout doesn't have space for both "BT2020" and Chroma on that screen. When they replied to me they said it was "by design". I'm certainly not happy about it.
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Do you use an AV receiver by any chance? Or does the new player show color depth information? If so, can you check if the player displays content in 10 bit? The K8500 did so if you set Color Format to Auto or 4:4:4 and Deep Color to Off. Some of the other players only display in either 8 bit or 12 bit.
Sorry I am late returning. It looks like CBCstillmatic beat me to the punch and has given as much info as I would.

I do not have an AV receiver and could not say how loud it is compared to the M8500.

The Tools menu 'Information' item gives a lot of information, but nothing on the color info.

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The audio sounds great and honestly I notice no difference from the x800 which I didn't think was much different than the k8500.

I have noticed what I think is an audio glitch in the amazon app though. Last night I went to watch the 3rd season of Bosch but got no audio. I tried reinstalling the amazon app and rebooting the player to no avail. I get perfect audio from Netflix, vudu and YouTube however so not sure what's going on with amazon.

I do get audio fine from amazon on my roku ultra but that's got all sorts of it's own issues right now. I haven't tried resetting the smart hub yet to see if it will help like it does on my TV's apps and haven't been able to confirm if anyone else has this same problem. Otherwise player had been great.
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Got my M9500 today. Comparing to the K8500, the M9500 is a tad smaller. The USB slot is now on the side of the unit where as the 8500 had it on the front. Every 8500 owner knows that remote is the worst and the 9500 is a huge improvement. It's not perfect but much more comfortable to use. The menus are much more fluid on the 9500 and easier to navigate. I won't have a chance to play a disc until this weekend but so far cosmetic and functioning wise, the 9500 is a noticeable improvement over its predecessor.

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Looking at the specs of the M9500 it looks like it does not support 3d blu-ray. I looked in the online manual and on Crutchfield it says it does not support 3d Blu-ray. Can anyone confirm whether it supports 3d blu-ray or not? All of the other UHD players including the M8500 support 3d. Although I like what I've seen so far about the reviews on the M9500, lack of 3d blu-ray support would be a deal breaker for me and I'm sure a lot of people aren't aware that it doesn't support 3d.
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I'm currently using an Xbox One S as a player and would like to move to a dedicated player by Xmas. I recently bought a Samsung KS8000, and I've owned Samsung Players in the past I still have my 7500 Blu Ray. The 8500 has been out for a bit any chance of a new player by then?
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Looking at the specs of the M9500 it looks like it does not support 3d blu-ray. I looked in the online manual and on Crutchfield it says it does not support 3d Blu-ray. Can anyone confirm whether it supports 3d blu-ray or not? All of the other UHD players including the M8500 support 3d. Although I like what I've seen so far about the reviews on the M9500, lack of 3d blu-ray support would be a deal breaker for me and I'm sure a lot of people aren't aware that it doesn't support 3d.
It does not support 3D.
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I'm currently using an Xbox One S as a player and would like to move to a dedicated player by Xmas. I recently bought a Samsung KS8000, and I've owned Samsung Players in the past I still have my 7500 Blu Ray. The 8500 has been out for a bit any chance of a new player by then?
Yes, the replacement for the 8500 is the UBD-M9500, which has been out for at least 3-4 weeks now.

That's basically what this thread and most recent comments are all about.

Most outlets have now dropped the price from ~$400US to just under $370US. By Xmas it should be lower.

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