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Old 04-06-2015, 01:25 PM   #8961
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Well, I'm one of those too that don't share the enthusiasm about Raiders.
Yes, it looks great in clarity, grain etc., but the whole thing is like I have put my golden glasses to watch!
I'm not sure if these are the original colors, but if they were and all subsequent mediums (VHS, DVD) got it wrong, shouldn't be wrong then in E.T., Jaws and other Spielberg films whose DVDs looks exactly like the Blurays in colors?

I'm not sure if I made myself clear:
If DVD and VHS is a medium that alters the original colors by definition, why the colors of E.T. and Jaws (and all other Spielberg films) weren't altered in their VHS, DVDs?
The E.T. and Jaws Blurays don't have any golden filter. They look like the DVDs.
DVD, by nature, messes up colours.
It gives a pink/red push...

The movies need to be altered to look to not have it. Most studios don't care.
Star Wars will sell no matter what it looks and sounds like, we know this, look at how crappy they look on DVD AND Blu-Ray.
The DVD's all had a pink/red push, the Blu-Ray, while not the best quality has a better colour grade.
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Old 04-06-2015, 01:34 PM   #8962
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DVD, by nature, messes up colours.
It gives a pink/red push...


The movies need to be altered to look to not have it. Most studios don't care.
Star Wars will sell no matter what it looks and sounds like, we know this, look at how crappy they look on DVD AND Blu-Ray.
The DVD's all had a pink/red push, the Blu-Ray, while not the best quality has a better colour grade.
That is total absolute rubbish, sorry but it is
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Old 04-06-2015, 01:41 PM   #8963
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That is total absolute rubbish, sorry but it is
The Phantom Menace
The Terminator
Alien
Aliens

Those are just a quick 4 off of the top of my head that had the pink/red push.

There are many, many more.
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Old 04-06-2015, 01:43 PM   #8964
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DVD, by nature, messes up colours.
It gives a pink/red push...
DVDs don't mess up colours ... colourists, digital re-grading, technicians asleep at the wheel and botch jobs mess up colours. There might be a lot of pink DVDs out there, but it's not DVD's fault!
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Old 04-06-2015, 01:45 PM   #8965
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The Phantom Menace
The Terminator
Alien
Aliens

Those are just a quick 4 off of the top of my head that had the pink/red push.

There are many, many more.
All due to the 90's love of magenta push in masters due to a crt being the average display technology.
And all the ones you listed have had a non original teal make over.
The first bluray of terminator had the magenta push and was not a dvd last time I checked
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Old 04-06-2015, 01:46 PM   #8966
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Well, DVD doesn't "mess up colours" but its primary chromaticities are slightly different compared to Blu-ray (Rec.601 vs Rec.709). You're right though guys, it doesn't account for ye olde magenta push in general, that was simply the done thing for a lot of transfers coming out of the '90s and early '00s.
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Well, DVD doesn't "mess up colours" but its primary chromaticities are slightly different compared to Blu-ray (Rec.601 vs Rec.701)
Indeed the colour space is not the same, but is not dramatic enough to case the difference gold Ranger attested to
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Old 04-06-2015, 01:52 PM   #8968
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Indeed the colour space is not the same, but is not dramatic enough to case the difference gold Ranger attested to
I thought you might say that, hence my ninja edit above.
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Old 04-06-2015, 02:02 PM   #8969
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I thought you might say that, hence my ninja edit above.
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Old 04-06-2015, 02:19 PM   #8970
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DVD, by nature, messes up colours.
It gives a pink/red push...

The movies need to be altered to look to not have it. Most studios don't care.
Star Wars will sell no matter what it looks and sounds like, we know this, look at how crappy they look on DVD AND Blu-Ray.
The DVD's all had a pink/red push, the Blu-Ray, while not the best quality has a better colour grade.
So, the Bluray here has messed up colors?
because we see it has almost identical colors to the DVD!
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So, the Bluray here has messed up colors?
because we see it has almost identical colors to the DVD!
http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ess=#vergleich

and this:
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It depends on the movie, man. Jaws proves nothing about Raiders and vice-versa. Every film is graded and worked on when remastered and one job isn't the same as the next.

Jaws probably looked normal on DVD and now looks normal on BD. Raiders might be pushed warm now or it lacked warmth before, hard to say for sure. I think it looks great. Either way, it depends on each movie and each mastering job, and "what the DVD looked like" it never evidence of anything really.
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