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Old 08-17-2015, 03:21 AM   #201
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Anyone else prefer the Universal 'B' entries to the Fox 'A' pictures?
Definitely. Always have.
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Old 08-17-2015, 04:15 AM   #202
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Anyone else prefer the Universal 'B' entries to the Fox 'A' pictures?
I wouldn't say I prefer the Universal films (The Hound of the Baskervilles has always been one of my favorites) but I don't consider them in way lesser than the Fox films.

There are some clunkers but that's to be expected with any series.
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^Second the above. Not better, but not worse. Don't care so much for the Nazi propaganda films.
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Old 08-22-2015, 04:30 AM   #204
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I just ordered this about a week ago and have almost finished watching all 14. Great collection! Some of my favorites so far have been of course Hound, Terror By Night ( love that the setting is a train) and The House of Fear. I wish there were dozens more to watch! I'm looking forward to re watching them.

I have never seen any of the Jeremy Brett series, but now I am definitely considering it. For those who have seen it the Brett episodes, are any of the Basil Rathbone movies re-made for the Brett series? I know there is of course a Hound one ( going to check it out on Amazon for my first Brett one).

Also, how do the Brett series compare in your opinion overall to Rathbone?
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Old 08-22-2015, 05:01 AM   #205
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I just ordered this about a week ago and have almost finished watching all 14. Great collection! Some of my favorites so far have been of course Hound, Terror By Night ( love that the setting is a train) and The House of Fear. I wish there were dozens more to watch! I'm looking forward to re watching them.

I have never seen any of the Jeremy Brett series, but now I am definitely considering it. For those who have seen it the Brett episodes, are any of the Basil Rathbone movies re-made for the Brett series? I know there is of course a Hound one ( going to check it out on Amazon for my first Brett one).

Also, how do the Brett series compare in your opinion overall to Rathbone?
The Brett series uses some of the same source material as the Rathbone films, but there isn't much overlap. Hound is the only Rathbone film that was a truly faithful adaptation, while the majority of the Brett episodes were faithful. They didn't start veering from the stories until the last few years.

The Brett series has a reputation for being the best Holmes adaptation ever, and Brett the definitive Holmes. I like the series enough that I spent over $100 to get it on Blu-ray, but I think it's a bit overhyped. Brett is no more definitive a Holmes than Rathbone, and the quality of the episodes wasn't at all consistent. A perfect episode would be followed by a dud, mostly in the later years but even sometimes early on. Brett's health went down the toilet starting around the halfway point, and he started giving terrible performances.

I would still recommend the Brett series overall, but I think the Rathbone series was more consistently good. If you want to check out the Brett series, I'd recommend starting with the first set, The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes, rather than buying everything at once, and proceeding from there, knowing that the quality will be dipping with further volumes.
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Luckydragon, thank you very much for your thoughts on the Brett series. That was exactly the kind of info I was looking for. Like your idea about trying out Brett series by individual releases rather than go all in on the complete set right away. Thanks!
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Old 10-11-2015, 01:09 PM   #207
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Finally picked this up. Great price for 14 movies. I used to watch these on VHS when I was a kid, so it'll be fun to revisit them.
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Old 10-11-2015, 10:32 PM   #208
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The Brett series uses some of the same source material as the Rathbone films, but there isn't much overlap. Hound is the only Rathbone film that was a truly faithful adaptation, while the majority of the Brett episodes were faithful. They didn't start veering from the stories until the last few years.

The Brett series has a reputation for being the best Holmes adaptation ever, and Brett the definitive Holmes. I like the series enough that I spent over $100 to get it on Blu-ray, but I think it's a bit overhyped. Brett is no more definitive a Holmes than Rathbone, and the quality of the episodes wasn't at all consistent. A perfect episode would be followed by a dud, mostly in the later years but even sometimes early on. Brett's health went down the toilet starting around the halfway point, and he started giving terrible performances.

I would still recommend the Brett series overall, but I think the Rathbone series was more consistently good. If you want to check out the Brett series, I'd recommend starting with the first set, The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes, rather than buying everything at once, and proceeding from there, knowing that the quality will be dipping with further volumes.
I would disagree that Brett's performances became "terrible" as his health began to fail. I think that to the last, he gave it his all, and even in the final episode, he was intent and focused and very much the Holmes of Conan Doyle. For me, those later episodes are hard to watch because Brett is so clearly terminally ill. And also, they were scraping the bottom of the Conan Doyle barrel by that point, using crap stories like The Mazarin Stone. But that's not until we get to the final series. At the "halfway point," we were still in the second series, and Brett was giving arguably the best Holmes performances of his 10-year stint, and the writers adapting some of Conan Doyle's very best stories.

And the Rathbone series is hardly consistent, either. I love the Rathbone series, but the early "Sherlock Holmes, Spy-Smasher" entries in the Universal series are pretty remarkably silly. Luckily, they abandoned that approach after the first few entries, but even the absence of Nazi agents didn't prevent Pursuit to Algiers from being the worst in the series. I can honestly barely sit through that one anymore. And thankfully, since the next film, Terror by Night, is essentially the same movie, but set on a train rather than a ship (and much, much better), I don't miss much by skipping it. The only really effective moment in Pursuit is the touching moment with Nigel Bruce's Watson when he believes Holmes is dead. Then again, we get essentially the same moment in Spider Woman, so even that is a bit redundant.

Both series have much to recommend them, but overall, I give the nod to Brett as the best Holmes. And that's in spite of the fact that I grew up on the Rathbone films. Rathbone was in fact my introduction to the character of Holmes, so I owe the Universal series that much. And for a B-picture series, Roy William Neill did much to keep the quality high on those pictures, to the extent that he could. But for my money, it doesn't get much better than the Brett series. The adaptations are mostly very faithful to Conan Doyle (though they certainly went off the rails more than a few times), take place in the original setting of the stories, and feature wonderful performances...not only from Brett, but also from his respective Watsons, Burke and Hardwicke, who really brought Conan Doyle's upstanding everyman to life. Nigel Bruce's Watson is certainly an amusing buffoon, but I doubt Conan Doyle would recognize anything of his own creation in that performance.
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Old 10-11-2015, 10:47 PM   #209
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Would any of the Holmes aficionados in this thread care to share their opinions of actors who WEREN'T very good portraying the indefatigable sleuth? I've read some of the original stories, but am not familiar with ALL of them, same for the films and TV, so it would be interesting to hear about those actors who may have missed the mark, for whatever reason.
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Old 10-12-2015, 02:30 PM   #210
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Anyone know about the European Koch version? It has all the movies on 7 discs instead of 5 and is usually much cheaper.
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