Mugapo's official plasma questions thread

[scweb13]

(60,000 hours) 14 years if you watch it 12 hours every day.

[mugupo]

I recenly got the plasma that support 600subherz, what is the difference between those LCD 120/240hz, which one is more smooth? I notice plasma can't turn on or off setting on those unlike LCD.

[dobyblue]

Forget refresh rates, the superior response time of plasma allows for more consistent and accurate motion resolution in all processing modes.

LCD's 240Hz sets are trying to make up for poor response times.

The 480/600 number is just something Panasonic have advertised to compete with LCD manufacturer's false marketing. Refresh rate is nowhere near as important as response time.

[langn08]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Forget refresh rates, the superior response time of plasma allows for more consistent and accurate motion resolution in all processing modes.

LCD's 240Hz sets are trying to make up for poor response times.

The 480/600 number is just something Panasonic have advertised to compete with LCD manufacturer's false marketing. Refresh rate is nowhere near as important as response time.

How so?

[mugupo]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Forget refresh rates, the superior response time of plasma allows for more consistent and accurate motion resolution in all processing modes.

LCD's 240Hz sets are trying to make up for poor response times.

The 480/600 number is just something Panasonic have advertised to compete with LCD manufacturer's false marketing. Refresh rate is nowhere near as important as response time.

Maybe you are right, cause response time matter more.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by langn08

How so?

Because they're not telling you the full story. They make out like refresh rate is something super important, with response time in tiny writing often not even on the border of the set with all the other information.

The 240Hz along with the FULL HD 1080 is HUGE on the set.

This is the ONLY reason why Panasonic are advertising the subfield processing rate on their sets, because trying to educate the public as to why 240Hz isn't important is too much time and money, might as well just join in the game. Hey, we've got 600HZ!!!!

[langn08]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Because they're not telling you the full story. They make out like refresh rate is something super important, with response time in tiny writing often not even on the border of the set with all the other information.



The 240Hz along with the FULL HD 1080 is HUGE on the set.



This is the ONLY reason why Panasonic are advertising the subfield processing rate on their sets, because trying to educate the public as to why 240Hz isn't important is too much time and money, might as well just join in the game. Hey, we've got 600HZ!!!!

1. Every LCD I have shopped for listed the response time on the spec tag

2. Correct, as this is a big seller of LCD's (60HZ/120HZ/240HZ). Plasmas also list 1080 HD all over their sets.

3. Saying 240HZ is not important is a fairly ignorant statement to make. It may not make much difference from 120HZ but still can be a worth while feature to some. Just because something may not mean squat to you because you have a plasma, does not mean you know what people prefer.

[mugupo]

Originally Posted by langn08

1. Every LCD I have shopped for listed the response time on the spec tag

2. Correct, as this is a big seller of LCD's (60HZ/120HZ/240HZ). Plasmas also list 1080 HD all over their sets.

3. Saying 240HZ is not important is a fairly ignorant statement to make. Just because something may not mean squat to you because you have a plasma, does not mean you know what people prefer.

Right now the best price for fast response time LCD is probably philips, they last year model can do 2ms. While other model you has to paid a lot more $ for that type of response.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by langn08

1. Every LCD I have shopped for listed the response time on the spec tag

I never said they didn't.

2. Correct, as this is a big seller of LCD's (60HZ/120HZ/240HZ). Plasmas also list 1080 HD all over their sets.

The full HD was a reference point for size, I was not saying it's bad to put it on there...although I'd challenge them to put the actual motion resolution on.

3. Saying 240HZ is not important is a fairly ignorant statement to make.

Actually it's not ignorant, it's edu-ma-cated. It comes from several years of watching tests, of reading articles, of comparing sets. It couldn't be further from being ignorant. If you want to be duped into believing that 240Hz is an important feature then go for it, but don't expect me to not try to dispell that misinformation with facts. The original 60Hz LED sets from Samsung had better motion resolution than ANY 120Hz CCFL-LCD set on the market...close to 800 while CCFL 120Hz sets struggle to hit 600. So the "FULL 1080 HD" really only applies to static images, while the FULL 1080 HD on the current Viera line applies to all sources.

Just because something may not mean squat to you because you have a plasma, does not mean you know what people prefer.

I have a CRT thanks very much and I don't see ANYWHERE that I've said ANYTHING about what people PREFER, only what people are misinformed about.

[langn08]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

I have a CRT thanks very much.

[dobyblue]

Ya, ees very gut!!!
Haha.
All my money's tied up in my speaker, turntable and vinyl collection. Hopefully this year I'll pick up a Panny V10.

[ijokr]

dobyblue is right, maybe he's not trying too much too explain as it is a very recycled and tired subject. Due to plasma technology, plasma don`t struggle with refresh rates and response time. Kuro`s, which are considered best plasmas, are 60hz and don`t have issues with these two subjects. Now, LCD's on the other hand have always struggled with response tme and refresh rate, that's why they're trying to catch on to plasmas, altough they aren't. Response time shown in LCD's spec is mostly always false, since different tests are made to get the best spec. Although (in LCD) 240hz is obviously better than 120hz, they come with a catch, if you turn it n your picture quality degrades. Panasonic came up with the 600hz even though last models were 480hz just for marketing reasons, to kind of slap LCD's refresh rates improvement in the face.

I hope I'm being clear....

[My_Two_Cents]

I LOL everytime I see the 240Hz marketing hype. I've yet to see any real-world tests/data that prove this does anything "better" than 120Hz sets. I have a similar reaction to the 600Hz subfield drive marketing, though I understand this is only to give the uneducated sheeple a bigger number to look at versus LCD.

And ijokr, you cannot "turn on/off" the set's refresh rate. You're confusing this with motion interpolation.

[mugupo]

I think i had a 24p 48hz plasma, should i upgrade to panasonic v series 96hz plasma, is that better than 72hz from pionner, does that only make different in 24p mode during blu-ray?

[mugupo]

I currently has the LG50PS60, should i spend $260 more to get the TC-P50V10. Does Fry's 30 days return policy gave you money back to you actual account or store credits?

The P50V10 has solid review in Cnet rank #2 behind Pionner Elite Kudo.

[_kirk_]

I have the 50" V10 - I love it.

[mugupo]

Originally Posted by _kirk_

I have the 50" V10 - I love it.

Would you able to compare to G10 or LG50PS60? How does it do with SD stuff? had you try 24p source?

[_kirk_]

I can't compare it to other sets as this is my first HDTV. The reviews seem to suggest it's a step up from the G10 due to the 96Hz setting in 24p mode as well as the greater customization available in the picture menus, plus it's a slimmer and (IMO) better-looking set.

SD playback is not great. Fortunately, most of my viewing is from HD sources or DVD's, so it's not a big deal to me.

24p mode works great at the 96Hz setting - no flicker, accurate 24fps playback.

[mugupo]

Originally Posted by _kirk_

I can't compare it to other sets as this is my first HDTV. The reviews seem to suggest it's a step up from the G10 due to the 96Hz setting in 24p mode as well as the greater customization available in the picture menus, plus it's a slimmer and (IMO) better-looking set.

SD playback is not great. Fortunately, most of my viewing is from HD sources or DVD's, so it's not a big deal to me.

24p mode works great at the 96Hz setting - no flicker, accurate 24fps playback.

That's good to know that 96hz work well, had you try turn on SD channel, does the side black level deep? Does the 96hz mode work only in 24p material?

[dtowntke]

could some one compare it to the pioneer 5020