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Old 02-08-2017, 04:32 PM   #1
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United Kingdom Phenomena (Dario Argento) 4K Restoration from Arrow Video in May 2017



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Brand new 4k restoration of the film from the original camera negative produced by arrow video exclusively for this release
high definition blu-ray (1080p) presentations of all three versions of the film: The 116-minute italian, 110-minute international and 83-minute “creepers” cuts
new 5.1 surround mixes of the italian (116-minute) and english (110-minute) soundtracks in lossless dts-hd master audio, derived from the original 4-channel dolby stereo elements
new hybrid english/italian soundtrack for the 116-minute version in lossless dts-hd master audio 5.1 and pcm 2.0 stereo*
italian soundtrack for the 116-minute version in lossless pcm 2.0 stereo
english soundtrack for the 110-minute version in lossless pcm 2.0 stereo
english soundtrack for the 83-minute version in lossless pcm 1.0 mono
newly translated english subtitles for the italian soundtrack
optional english subtitles for the deaf and hard of hearing for the english soundtrack
new audio commentary by troy howarth, author of so deadly, so perverse: 50 years of italian giallo films
the three sarcophagi, a new visual essay by michael mackenzie comparing the different cuts of phenomena
new feature-length documentary including exclusive interviews with co-writer/producer/director dario argento, actors fiorenza tessari and davide marotta, co-writer franco ferrini, production manager angelo jacono, special optical effects artist luigi cozzi, makeup artist pier antonio mecacci and composers claudio simonetti and simon boswell
original italian and english theatrical trailers
limited edition 60-page booklet containing new writing by mikel j. Koven, rachael nisbet and leonard jacobs
limited edition packaging featuring original and newly commissioned artwork by candice tripp

* the 116-minute italian cut features approximately six minutes of footage for which english audio does not exist. In these instances, the hybrid track reverts to italian audio with english subtitles.

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Now what to do with Synapse's steelbook ?

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Stupid crap I read in the Facebook comments:

The Synapse disc uses the same master
The Synapse disc is already 4K
It won't be an improvement over the Synapse disc despite it being a new 4K remaster whereas the Synapse disc is from an old DVD master
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Now what's to do with Synapse's steelbook ?
I'll give you a tenner for it
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Stupid crap I read in the Facebook comments:

The Synapse disc uses the same master
The Synapse disc is already 4K
It won't be an improvement over the Synapse disc despite it being a new 4K remaster whereas the Synapse disc is from an old DVD master
All the same it should be very interesting to see comparisons between the 110 Synapse disc and what Arrow puts together.
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I know there are probably rights issues and it would possibly be expensive, but I wish they would get a few actors to impersonate the original voice actors in the scenes which have no English dubbing. It probably wouldn't be perfect, but I think it would be less jarring than switching to Italian suddenly.
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Fantastic news.
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Old 02-08-2017, 08:10 PM   #8
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Yes! now i don't have to shell out for the overpriced Synapse release...Bird & Inferno next please.
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I already have the Synapse release so Arrow need to ensure all 3 versions are included if I'm to be tempted.
A genuine 4k UHD would be great.
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A genuine 4k UHD would be great.
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They're working in 4k , they end up with a 4k restoration. Why not test the water and actually release the 4k onto disc?
I can't really get excited about 4k restorations on Bluray. Even a 2k restoration won't be at its best so it seems over the top to put 4k onto 1080. Of course doing a new restoration means they can clean up the print and remove all the imperfections that were present on the 2k.
But you'll still only get 1080

The Italians have already got the ball rolling with a UHD of Dawn of the Dead (1978) so it would be great if we could have the option on some Argento.
Be nice for Arrow to release perhaps a LE of 500 and see if the market is good enough to make it worthwhile
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I love Phenomena and have the Zavvi steelbook but don't plan on buying it again unless it gets a real UltraHD release.

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Not one of my favourite Argento films but welcome news all the same. Means that I can retire my current, noise reduction heavy, Arrow blu-ray (Cex are offering 11 pounds cash for it). If I was multi-region and had imported the expensive Synapse blu-ray, I would probably feel slightly gutted at this news.
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I know there are probably rights issues and it would possibly be expensive, but I wish they would get a few actors to impersonate the original voice actors in the scenes which have no English dubbing. It probably wouldn't be perfect, but I think it would be less jarring than switching to Italian suddenly.
I don't mind English/Italian hybrid audio tracks. Wouldn't be keen on impersonated voices. *shudder*
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I don't mind English/Italian hybrid audio tracks. Wouldn't be keen on impersonated voices. *shudder*
I'm not a fan of hybrid editions as they are unsatisfying and sometimes unnecessary. I think it's agreed DEEP RED's longer cut was not dubbed into English so the hybrid is a good compromise if you want to enjoy the longer cut but yearn to keep David's gorgeous voice in the mix, however where longer cuts exist in Italian, I would generally prefer to have both in the pack separately. In DEEP RED's case, the choice made was perfect; you can watch the long cut in subbed Italian or hybrid audio, but you can also watch the shorter, all-English version. Sometimes a hybrid exists but offers no alternative viewing option so you're forced to accept it. An example is Anchor Bay's DVD of CUT AND RUN which opts for the 'harder' takes in Italian language but these were indeed dubbed into English. Longer cuts should be presented in the language of the market for which they were prepared and with hybrid tracks as a compromise, but where a shorter English language version was created, that should be on the disc or in the set as a legitimate alternative.
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I'm open to Arrow's release. I already have the Synapse release but I'd be down for new/different extras and if the long cut is restored. The Synapse had to use an ancient DNR master. But Synapse is very transparent in their work so I don't mind supporting and having both even when the rights holders don't allow them to perform their own transfer. I love the audio options and Creepers cut!
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They're working in 4k , they end up with a 4k restoration. Why not test the water and actually release the 4k onto disc?
Because it's certainly expensive as hell for independant labels (especially for a UK-only release) and that it won't do much sales simply due to how few UHD customers there are currently.
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They're working in 4k , they end up with a 4k restoration. Why not test the water and actually release the 4k onto disc?
I can't really get excited about 4k restorations on Bluray. Even a 2k restoration won't be at its best so it seems over the top to put 4k onto 1080. Of course doing a new restoration means they can clean up the print and remove all the imperfections that were present on the 2k.
But you'll still only get 1080

The Italians have already got the ball rolling with a UHD of Dawn of the Dead (1978) so it would be great if we could have the option on some Argento.
Be nice for Arrow to release perhaps a LE of 500 and see if the market is good enough to make it worthwhile
Cause they can sell this and plenty seem to be eager to purchase immediately, then there will eventually be a UHD release......it's only about the £s
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I'm open to Arrow's release. I already have the Synapse release but I'd be down for new/different extras and if the long cut is restored. The Synapse had to use an ancient DNR master. But Synapse is very transparent in their work so I don't mind supporting and having both even when the rights holders don't allow them to perform their own transfer. I love the audio options and Creepers cut!
I'm always excited about new work being done on movies I love. Wouldn't it be great to get a legitimate new scan of Tenebre rather than the salvage-jobs out there right now?
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It's incredible that they are doing the 4K restoration themselves. I wonder how many copies they need to sell to cover the cost... Hope it sells well, so more in-house 4K restorations are coming!
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