Zack Snyder's 'Man of Steel'

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by J-Syxx

You did exactly that. Your retort to my argument in favor of art is that I discredited Fox News. You think both are on the same level. And like a generic stereotype, your entire argument centers around shrieking the word liberal. You haven't dismantled anything. BTW, I'm sure DC Comics isn't upset that somone who has never bought their comics is mad at them now.

Again projectionism. Your attack on Fox News showed severe intolarance on your part of different points of view while you accusse the very thing on people angry with DC. If you simply believed that all bias in news was bad you wouldn't limit your attacks on Fox. MSNBC is biased to the left signifigantly more than Fox is to the right but that quite obviously doesn't bother you.

If Superman were for example taking a stand against Obama for the failure of Keysian economics (which would be equally inappropriate for a comic book Superhero to do) you would have a diiferent attitude.

Also how do you know Ive never bought a DC comic. I have bought a few in my life though Im not a big time collecter. Yes this decision does make me less likely to buy any more.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by J-Syxx

I really don't believe you at all. The opening dialogue in the Godfather is about the American justice system being a joke. You have not seen this movie. You have not if you don't think there is poltiics in it. And especially not Godfather II or even III.

J-Syxx - A little discussion about this or that in a film does not constitute political propoganda or pandering. Geesh - if that were the case then we could call every TV show or film ever made a secret, hidden-agenda political rant.

C'mon man.... The Godfather, if you've seen the one I did, is about a family structure, the mafia, a character study, and how eventually crime just doesnt pay. I suppose one could dig through dialog and label it whatever they want. Maybe its really about Gay Rights or Anti-abortion stances but I missed it?

[Elandyll]

MSNBC is biased to the left signifigantly more than Fox is to the right

If this wasn't the "Man of Steel" thread, one would have to at this

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

C'mon man.... The Godfather, if you've seen the one I did, is about a family structure, the mafia, a character study, and how eventually crime just doesnt pay. I suppose one could dig through dialog and label it whatever they want. Maybe its really about Gay Rights or Anti-abortion stances but I missed it?

Barzini: "Times have changed. It's not like the old days, when we can do anything we want. A refusal is not the act of a friend. If Don Corleone had all the judges, and the politicians in New York, then he must share them, or let us others use them. He must let us draw the water from the well. Certainly he can present a bill for such services; after all... we are not Communists."

Originally Posted by Elandyll

If this wasn't the "Man of Steel" thread, one would have to at this

It's funny because it's true.

[Elandyll]

It's funny because it's true.

Oh man you guys are killin' me today

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Barzini: "Times have changed. It's not like the old days, when we can do anything we want. A refusal is not the act of a friend. If Don Corleone had all the judges, and the politicians in New York, then he must share them, or let us others use them. He must let us draw the water from the well. Certainly he can present a bill for such services; after all... we are not Communists."

Peter - You got it! I knew there was a hidden agenda here!

[Bullet]

Sorry to interupt, but are there any new news about the movie?

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by Bullet

Sorry to interupt, but are there any new news about the movie?

Yes, the title has changed to Superman: The Quest For an International Visa

[Bullet]

Originally Posted by Dotpattern

Yes, the title has changed to Superman: The Quest For an International Visa

Ok, nevermind. Keep going....

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Superman was an immensely popular American hero that symbolized a popular ideal in the 30s and 40s that many Americans followed. Superman was an immigrant from a foreign land who assimilated into the culture and ended up being its greatest representative. Siegel and Shuster would be rolling over in their graves if they saw their creation renouncing his American citizenship. The red and blue in the uniform was no accident...

The red and blue was due to the way comics were printed. Blues and reds were abundant in most comic heroes during the time for the same reason. Similar limitations to the form also helped create other costumes, like Batman's "blue" cape and cowl. It wasn't until some time later that comics got better color replication, and a good example of that is in Watchmen, where the palette heavily skews toward secondary colors like brown and purple, a stark contrast to the Golden Age of heroes who were painted in predominantly primary colors. Colors have only gotten better still. Pick up any modern release and compare it to Action Comics #1 some time. It's actually kind of amazing, and I'm honestly impressed that such a simple color design on his suit has held on so strongly (even while other characters have periodically dropped their simple iconic costumes, like Spider-man for example).

Regarding Superman's American-ness and adhereance to a no-kill policy: have a look at the origins of the design of the character some time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Reign_of_the_Super-Man

When "Superman" later appeared as a hero, he was a drastically different character admittedly, but he was NOT the "boyscout" we came to know yet. Like Batman, he was a killer long before DC pushed a no-kill policy on all of their characters. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman#Personality

The absurd patriotism also was not originally built into the character. I'm not 100% on it, but it probably came about entirely as a response to WWII, because Batman was also seen punching out Hitler. Is such nationalism really necessary or appropriate today? In the Autumn of 2001, would you have liked to see comics plastered with images of Batman and Superman punching out a racist caricature of Osama bin Laden?

This character is NOT Captain America (and actually, even the Cap isn't a blind patriot anymore either!). When he previously might've said "Truth, Justice, and the American way", he wasn't referring to a sort of blind patriotism or anything like that which some foolish individuals might like to partake in. He was referring to the ideals that the American way of life was founded on. "All men are created equal", "Freedom of Speech", democracy, etc. It's not a blind connection to the nation, but rather the IDEALS that the nation was founded on. It's why he would say "the American way". Deciding to remove himself from being considered an actor of American policy doesn't negate his views of those ideals. While acting as a "free-agent" of the World, he'd still be in favor of Liberty, Equality, and Democracy. His ideals would be the same, and since Superman's political leanings already fall outside the Government's in many places (I can't imagine a strict no-kill guy like him being in favor of the military actions in the Middle East), I'd say him dropping away from being identified as American is appropriate for him. If I were a god among men, fighting evil under a strict no-kill policy, I don't think I would be able to deal with being identified as "an American hero", not when war is so heavily important to the way the government is set up in this day and age.

Not according to that cartoon, he didn't. At no point did we see anyone - Japanese or American - die.

ahahahaha

This reminds me of the way they sometimes censor cartoons. They'll take out a few frames of animation where the actual physical contact of a punch will connect and replace it with a flash of light. It's as if saying "see, you didn't see the punch, so it didn't happen!"

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by Afrobean

The red and blue was due to the way comics were printed. Blues and reds were abundant in most comic heroes during the time for the same reason. Similar limitations to the form also helped create other costumes, like Batman's "blue" cape and cowl. It wasn't until some time later that comics got better color replication, and a good example of that is in Watchmen, where the palette heavily skews toward secondary colors like brown and purple, a stark contrast to the Golden Age of heroes who were painted in predominantly primary colors. Colors have only gotten better still. Pick up any modern release and compare it to Action Comics #1 some time. It's actually kind of amazing, and I'm honestly impressed that such a simple color design on his suit has held on so strongly (even while other characters have periodically dropped their simple iconic costumes, like Spider-man for example).

Regarding Superman's American-ness and adhereance to a no-kill policy: have a look at the origins of the design of the character some time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Reign_of_the_Super-Man

When "Superman" later appeared as a hero, he was a drastically different character admittedly, but he was NOT the "boyscout" we came to know yet. Like Batman, he was a killer long before DC pushed a no-kill policy on all of their characters. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman#Personality

The absurd patriotism also was not originally built into the character. I'm not 100% on it, but it probably came about entirely as a response to WWII, because Batman was also seen punching out Hitler. Is such nationalism really necessary or appropriate today? In the Autumn of 2001, would you have liked to see comics plastered with images of Batman and Superman punching out a racist caricature of Osama bin Laden?

This character is NOT Captain America (and actually, even the Cap isn't a blind patriot anymore either!). When he previously might've said "Truth, Justice, and the American way", he wasn't referring to a sort of blind patriotism or anything like that which some foolish individuals might like to partake in. He was referring to the ideals that the American way of life was founded on. "All men are created equal", "Freedom of Speech", democracy, etc. It's not a blind connection to the nation, but rather the IDEALS that the nation was founded on. It's why he would say "the American way". Deciding to remove himself from being considered an actor of American policy doesn't negate his views of those ideals. While acting as a "free-agent" of the World, he'd still be in favor of Liberty, Equality, and Democracy. His ideals would be the same, and since Superman's political leanings already fall outside the Government's in many places (I can't imagine a strict no-kill guy like him being in favor of the military actions in the Middle East), I'd say him dropping away from being identified as American is appropriate for him. If I were a god among men, fighting evil under a strict no-kill policy, I don't think I would be able to deal with being identified as "an American hero", not when war is so heavily important to the way the government is set up in this day and age.


ahahahaha

This reminds me of the way they sometimes censor cartoons. They'll take out a few frames of animation where the actual physical contact of a punch will connect and replace it with a flash of light. It's as if saying "see, you didn't see the punch, so it didn't happen!"

[Coach81]

So.. any more details about the movie available???

[Rinzler]

This could be an interesting development...

[vegeta88]

Originally Posted by Rinzler

This could be an interesting development...

It could be interesting. I found it to actually make this movie less interesting as it is sounding more and more like a Superman film we have already seen.

Just so you know, that is old news. It might be hard to find anything related to this movie, what with the debate going on in here.

[Clark Kent]

Possible costume for the next Superman movie? DC Comics is rebooting their entire lineup in September for the first time in their long history, resetting or eliminating many characters. On top of that, famous artist Jim Lee has re-designed almost all costumes for each character. Here is the new look for Superman, with raised collars and a slightly darker blue color. Notice the V-shaped belt design. The entire design looks like something Hollywood might use in a film.

[Ray_Rogers]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Possible costume for the next Superman movie? DC Comics is rebooting their entire lineup in September for the first time in their long history, resetting or eliminating many characters. On top of that, famous artist Jim Lee has re-designed almost all costumes for each character. Here is the new look for Superman, with raised collars and a slightly darker blue color. Notice the V-shaped belt design. The entire design looks like something Hollywood might use in a film.

Sucks DC is completely rebooting their entire comics line. Should've been an imprint for this instead of their main comics. First the idiot Mark Bagley and now this.
Anymore casting for Man of Steel?

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Possible costume for the next Superman movie? DC Comics is rebooting their entire lineup in September for the first time in their long history, resetting or eliminating many characters. On top of that, famous artist Jim Lee has re-designed almost all costumes for each character. Here is the new look for Superman, with raised collars and a slightly darker blue color. Notice the V-shaped belt design. The entire design looks like something Hollywood might use in a film.

It also looks like they've done away with the red "underwear" (or outerwear). Not sure the Star Trek The Next Generation collar makes sense if Superman wears that underneath his Clark Kent shirt and tie (wouldn't the collar risk more chances of being exposed?).

[Ray_Rogers]

Originally Posted by Dotpattern

It also looks like they've done away with the red "underwear" (or outerwear). Not sure the Star Trek The Next Generation collar makes sense if Superman wears that underneath his Clark Kent shirt and tie (wouldn't the collar risk more chances of being exposed?).

No idea and not caring. I'll only buy back issues and certain mini-series now from DC. This is bogus. At least I'm still buying ALL STARMAN/Jack Knight related James Robinson stuff including The Shade and the Omnibus'.
DC shoulda followed Marvel and had their own version of Ultimate DC and not a shite reboot.

[madlost1]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Possible costume for the next Superman movie? DC Comics is rebooting their entire lineup in September for the first time in their long history, resetting or eliminating many characters. On top of that, famous artist Jim Lee has re-designed almost all costumes for each character. Here is the new look for Superman, with raised collars and a slightly darker blue color. Notice the V-shaped belt design. The entire design looks like something Hollywood might use in a film.

[Show spoiler]

If they eliminate supergirl or don't give her a proper reboot I'm going to be pissed.

[Magic]

I'd totally support it. I love what Jim Lee has done for Supe's look. If I thought we even had a chance at them using this look for the movie I would be stoked!