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Old 03-25-2010, 09:04 PM   #1
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ok so im so confused about this, i just want to say my 2 cents. They say u need a 3d ready tv, 3d ready blu ray player, and ALL NEW blu ray 3d ready movies, oh ya AND glasses. your looking over 4 grand? who knows. but if you can take a cassette or a vhs, or even an OLD recored from the 1900s, and convert them to dvd, blu ray, or cd. WHY cant you watch the new type of 3d on a normal LCD tv, now i know its a different type of 3d, but damn. there has to be a converter box or something so u can watch 3d movies on a normal lcd tv. now i have the unb556000 samsung and its amazing, its 120 hrtz, i belive it can support the new type of 3d, it has to. just like i said if i can take my ps3 and hook it up to a tv made 20 years ago i can watch 3d on my tv. i have my bloody valetine and coroline on blu ray and there in 3d there the green and red shutter glasses, my whole point is i can watch a regular 3d movie but WHY do i need a NEW damn tv. thats a load of crap if u ask me, there HAS TO BE a converter box or somethin there just has to. now i understand in buying new shutter glasses, maybe even a new blu ray player but i have a ps3 so im getting the update, but not a new tv, theres just no way. can some1 let me know how this is gonna happen. no1 can upgrade to a new tv.
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Well you can't just turn anything to 3D, it has to have been shot with 2 simultaneous cameras, similar to how we se things with 2 eyes. There are complicated methods in which 2D movies are made into 3D, Clash of the Titans and Nightmare before christmas for example -but the quality of the results are arguable. And even then it is a long process, not something that can be done on the fly.

But what I don't understand is why we need all new TVs? Why can't the blu-ray disk and shutter glasses do all the work of presenting a movie in 3D. RealD film projectors just flicker the left and right images one after another, and I don't see why a new HDTV can't do something similar to that.
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exactlly what im asking.

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But what I don't understand is why we need all new TVs? Why can't the blu-ray disk and shutter glasses do all the work of presenting a movie in 3D. RealD film projectors just flicker the left and right images one after another, and I don't see why a new HDTV can't do something similar to that.
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No; only if you want it - it's that simple.

Cost l I noticed reference to cost; Panasonic, either the TC-P50VT20 - which is uniquely available from Best Buy, or the TC-P50VT25 from Panasonic; they are under $3000 in a promotional package, which includes a 3D Blu-ray Player and one pair of 3D Glasses, with additional glasses at $150//ea.

Technical Issues l 3D TV's, as I currently understand it, must be designed for 3D. And; specific to Panasonic, which has the best 3D Performance at this time; uses a new improved phosphor, which is about 30% faster with regards to response time, to point out just one of the specific improvements to provide their remarkable picture quality.

Regarding LCD; it is my understanding that, along with other unknown factors, that to do 3D, it must be a 240Hz set, doing 3D at 120Hz.

Whether you own a 3D TV or not; it is simply a choice, not a requirement. It is for anyone with an interest in 3D, whether for future proofing, should it become greater than I believe, or currently for Gaming - Sports - 3D Movies - 3D Camcorders - or something that I cannot recall at the moment.

2D Vewing l I should add, that while I myself have no interest in 3D; we are purchasing several of the Panasonic this year, entirely for the improved 2D Imaging, as the sets are certainly to higher standards, resulting in and outstanding improvement to HDTV, irrespective of it's 3D TV Quality.

3D - On Non-3D TV - Essentially, an HDTV or 2D TV l While at the moment I cannot confirm; I am confidant that you would both want and need a display designed-designated as being a 3D TV.

So; yes, if you want the 3D Experience, you will have to consider purchasing an new 3D HDTV.


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Old 03-26-2010, 04:48 AM   #5
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ya, ur right, ok give me a moment to go to the bank to withdraw money to pay off my unb556000 samung tv. i cant decide if i should get out the 3 grand from the personal or the corprate account for the new 3d gear, umm. ill decide later.
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ok so im so confused about this, i just want to say my 2 cents. They say u need a 3d ready tv, 3d ready blu ray player, and ALL NEW blu ray 3d ready movies, oh ya AND glasses. your looking over 4 grand? who knows. but if you can take a cassette or a vhs, or even an OLD recored from the 1900s, and convert them to dvd, blu ray, or cd. WHY cant you watch the new type of 3d on a normal LCD tv, now i know its a different type of 3d, but damn. there has to be a converter box or something so u can watch 3d movies on a normal lcd tv. now i have the unb556000 samsung and its amazing, its 120 hrtz, i belive it can support the new type of 3d, it has to. just like i said if i can take my ps3 and hook it up to a tv made 20 years ago i can watch 3d on my tv. i have my bloody valetine and coroline on blu ray and there in 3d there the green and red shutter glasses, my whole point is i can watch a regular 3d movie but WHY do i need a NEW damn tv. thats a load of crap if u ask me, there HAS TO BE a converter box or somethin there just has to. now i understand in buying new shutter glasses, maybe even a new blu ray player but i have a ps3 so im getting the update, but not a new tv, theres just no way. can some1 let me know how this is gonna happen. no1 can upgrade to a new tv.
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ya, ur right, ok give me a moment to go to the bank to withdraw money to pay off my unb556000 samung tv. i cant decide if i should get out the 3 grand from the personal or the corprate account for the new 3d gear, umm. ill decide later.
Dude... take a pill...

It's a new technology. The reason it requires a new TV is because of the functionality of it all. The new tech will require that the TV be able to handle 2 similtaneous 1080p video signals. Every TV out there currently can only handle 1 at full resolution. They may come out with some means of allowing current TVs to show new 3D content, but it will result in a substantial loss in quality since the new glasses won't be able to communicate properly with the TV to maintain maximized synchronicity.

If you were interested in 3D for your HT setup, why did you buy your current HDTV? Also, if you wish to buy into the 3D tech, sell your current HDTV while you can still get a decent price for it and pay off most of what's owing on it (if not all or more). Be proactive in resolving your situation instead of trying to start a fire in a forum where people won't help fuel the flames.
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ya, ur right, ok give me a moment to go to the bank to withdraw money to pay off my unb556000 samung tv. i cant decide if i should get out the 3 grand from the personal or the corprate account for the new 3d gear, umm. ill decide later.

Or maybe you can sell your barbies for profit.

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ya, ur right, ok give me a moment to go to the bank to withdraw money to pay off my unb556000 samung tv. i cant decide if i should get out the 3 grand from the personal or the corprate account for the new 3d gear, umm. ill decide later.
It sounds as if a 120hz HDTV would be capable of producing a 3D image similar to the way I explained RealD in my earlier response. Flickering the left and right image one after another. It's not as ideal as a new 3D TV, but RealD is not an ideal way to present 3D either -and no one seems to care.

If your TV is 120hz then try not to throw it in the garbage just yet ...and we'll see if I am right.

I'm not sure why people are acting like we shouldn't ask this simple question. Why would we run off an buy a new 3D TV -if we found we had the option to use our current TV?

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Old 03-26-2010, 09:57 PM   #9
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i understand new tech coming out all the time and u always have to upgrade, but this new 3d came out of the blue. i had to do alot of saving for my tv and the setup i have. i dont have the kind of money for that but w/e maybe im in the wrong "hobby" w/e

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Dude... take a pill...

It's a new technology. The reason it requires a new TV is because of the functionality of it all. The new tech will require that the TV be able to handle 2 similtaneous 1080p video signals. Every TV out there currently can only handle 1 at full resolution. They may come out with some means of allowing current TVs to show new 3D content, but it will result in a substantial loss in quality since the new glasses won't be able to communicate properly with the TV to maintain maximized synchronicity.

If you were interested in 3D for your HT setup, why did you buy your current HDTV? Also, if you wish to buy into the 3D tech, sell your current HDTV while you can still get a decent price for it and pay off most of what's owing on it (if not all or more). Be proactive in resolving your situation instead of trying to start a fire in a forum where people won't help fuel the flames.
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i understand new tech coming out all the time and u always have to upgrade, but this new 3d came out of the blue. i had to do alot of saving for my tv and the setup i have. i dont have the kind of money for that but w/e maybe im in the wrong "hobby" w/e
Maybe you are. But, like I said in an earlier post, just sell your TV and make most of the money back. Then, you can buy a 3DTV and only be adding a slight amount onto your debt. Instead of focusing on the problem, focus on making a solution possible. If you don't have the skills necessary to invent the tech add-on that you speak of yourself, pursue the next logical course of action for a solution.

Necessity may be the morther of invention, but adaptation is the mother of survival.

When it comes to expressing ones opinion regarding ANY issue, it makes it much more difficult to rally support when you come into a public forum and start ranting like spoiled child that isn't getting what they want.
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Maybe you are. But, like I said in an earlier post, just sell your TV and make most of the money back. Then, you can buy a 3DTV and only be adding a slight amount onto your debt. Instead of focusing on the problem, focus on making a solution possible. If you don't have the skills necessary to invent the tech add-on that you speak of yourself, pursue the next logical course of action for a solution.

Necessity may be the morther of invention, but adaptation is the mother of survival.

When it comes to expressing ones opinion regarding ANY issue, it makes it much more difficult to rally support when you come into a public forum and start ranting like spoiled child that isn't getting what they want.
I don't think that the 4,500,000 people who bought into 2-D units last Christmas, and who are a bit piqued about this sudden rollout of 3-D, should be characterized as spoiled children.

This technology has a terrific potential for being "leapfrogged" within the next two or three years in any case. When a technology is announced on December 17th, 2009, and rolled out at CES on January 6th, 2010, it's clear that the manufacturers were worried about their current inventory of "obsolescent" sets (not obsolete; that's different).

I just went to the Sony Outlet in Oxnard, CA last weekend; they're blowing out everything that's 2D, including new - not refurbished - Blu players, including the model I just bought six months ago for $400, going for $139. Some were down to $79. New in the box. TV's are going through the floor, with 37" units under $400, and 52" units in the $1,300-$1,600 range (a couple even lower).

I buy in cash, getting the best units available at the time. Not everyone is in this position. It's a huge investment, and little (if any) warning was given about this change in technology. I'm sure most people though an upgrade was on the way, but it wouldn't require a complete reboot of their equipment.

It did, and the blowback is tremendous. At this time, 3-D content is extremely limited, and confined to cartoons and CGI extravaganzas. This isn't impressive to the average consumer, who may have already spent heavily on Blu, and who may have only a few titles of this type. My own initial ire at this stealth rollout of 3-D has been tempered, by the dearth of content available for at least the next year, and by pronouncements that anything that has significant live action is very difficult to film in, or convert to, 3-D (see the comments from the producers of Predator 3, and Bay's reticence to use 3-D on Transformers 3, among others).

In the meantime, 3-D technology is not standing still. Most people who are enthused about the technology are still wary of the glasses; and with content pretty much confined to cartoons, families are trying to figure out how to buy enough pairs of very expensive glasses for children to use to view these movies. The technology in the glasses will prevent them from going to very low pricing - these are sensitive components, using LCD technology to synchronize with the picture, and failures due to low quality will render the picture unviewable. Handing these to a group of small children is problematic at best.

This format requires the active participation of the viewer, actually wearing a required device. No one really likes it, and views it as a price that must be paid for 3-D content. Better technologies that eliminate glasses may be three or four years away, or even less - they've already been demonstrated, and are aggressively being refined for consumer use. This is well within the lifespan of most televisions currently showing stunning 2D images.

Finally, 4K is in the wings. Hardware always outruns software; 4K sets will be fine for 2K content, but will offer even higher image display in a few years. That will be the real upgrade, and more than likely, will be coupled with glasses-free 3-D display modes. 4K projectors are already available for the high end marketplace, and with demand, the price will come down. 4K televisions have already been demonstrated, in large sizes, presaging the advent of this technology. Again, all of this will have backwards compatibility with current Blu content and equipment.

On a side note: It is technically quite feasible to view current 3-D content on current televisions, using the active shutter technology, but the decision was made to sell new sets for quality and ease of implementation purposes. Dual 24fps output to the 60Hz inputs on current televisions is not an insurmountable technical hurdle. The problem is for broadcast television, not Blu, and 3-D has a long way to go before broadcasters implement it for everyone.

I fully expect solutions to be marketed for current equipment, fairly soon, that will either display 3-D in 1080i, or full 1080p, without huge issues. It will be an affordable stop-gap, but with the dearth of content, it may not be something people are really worried about. Content providers would love this - they don't have skin in the game for new equipment sales, but they'd love to expand the audience for their movies.

3-D really benefits from a large viewing surface. Aficiandos with enough money to invest in 60" sets or higher will be the real audience for this. In this forum, it's clear that many people don't think they have room for even a 52" set in their homes; and they probably can't afford a full system reboot, in any case. Adoption will be slow, content is of spotty quality and low inventory, and new modes and technologies will be banging on the door.

It's better to wait, unless the old set is pooping out, or the buyer waited a long time to even adopt Blu. Some content is terrific in 3-D. Other content is pitiful. There is not enough of either to warrant rushing out to pay top dollar, at this time, or any time soon.

I figure 18 months before this thing settles down - fall of next year, when the generation 2 gear hits the showrooms, sounds about right. In that time, perhaps two dozen 3-D films will be released, virtually all of them animated movies for children. Certainly, that's no reason to sell a current setup, to buy a new rig at early adopter pricing.
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Checked a 3D set-up yesterday and put the glasses on for Monsters vs Aliens and it was really fuzzy and didn't impress me at all I am just going to stay with my set-up for the next few years. It was a 46" as well at 2,500 it is a rip off.
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Checked a 3D set-up yesterday and put the glasses on for Monsters vs Aliens and it was really fuzzy and didn't impress me at all I am just going to stay with my set-up for the next few years. It was a 46" as well at 2,500 it is a rip off.
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I'm not a forum kind of person but why is it that everytime I go to a website for answers to questions all I ever see is the 1st question and then a million posts by other people who not only don't help with a answer but instead insist on degrading the original and other posters? Why? All the guy wants to know is if it is possible to watch 3d movies on a nice hdtv that was not marketed for 3d. If you have a answer as to how it would be possible, please reply. If ur answer is no because you don't honestly know or care or you want to go into detail on buying a new tv that is 3d. Ur waisting ur time. Here's food for thought. I have a hdtv that says its 3d ready in the specs. But not sold as a 3d tv. I've found nothing about my tv being used 4 3d. Funny thing is its the black Friday 148 dollar emerson. How does a 3d ready tv do 3d? Do I just need a 3d blu ray player?
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I saw this post and am happy to help you. 3d ready tvs mean they are capable of outputting 3d content with the aid of extra hardware. What that is for your particular set up I do not have the answer for. Honestly I have a vizio 3d tv in my bedroom and its not anything special. Your not going to get off screen effects like you do a per say Disney World. 3D offers a world of depth no doubt. I have a six year old daughter and that is why I own 3d. there are many great cartoons and family oriented features on blu for the format. Again if you could provide some information about your set I will be glad to guide you in what you need. try starting with the make or model of your Emerson Tv . We will go from there.
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I'm not a forum kind of person but why is it that everytime I go to a website for answers to questions all I ever see is the 1st question and then a million posts by other people who not only don't help with a answer but instead insist on degrading the original and other posters? Why? All the guy wants to know is if it is possible to watch 3d movies on a nice hdtv that was not marketed for 3d. If you have a answer as to how it would be possible, please reply. If ur answer is no because you don't honestly know or care or you want to go into detail on buying a new tv that is 3d. Ur waisting ur time. Here's food for thought. I have a hdtv that says its 3d ready in the specs. But not sold as a 3d tv. I've found nothing about my tv being used 4 3d. Funny thing is its the black Friday 148 dollar emerson. How does a 3d ready tv do 3d? Do I just need a 3d blu ray player?
Well... 2 years ago when this thread was created and relevant... there was no answer that the OP would have liked to hear since his inquiry involved a piece of technology which didn't exist. So, we answered with the reasonable "if you want 3D, you'll have to spend the money on new equipment." HOWEVER, the OP then decided to provide a sarcastic response to mock our recommendations for their solution. How do you expect us to react when someone gives us sass for trying to help them find a solution within the realm of the realistic?
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ok so im so confused about this, i just want to say my 2 cents. They say u need a 3d ready tv, 3d ready blu ray player, and ALL NEW blu ray 3d ready movies, oh ya AND glasses. your looking over 4 grand? who knows. but if you can take a cassette or a vhs, or even an OLD recored from the 1900s, and convert them to dvd, blu ray, or cd. WHY cant you watch the new type of 3d on a normal LCD tv, now i know its a different type of 3d, but damn. there has to be a converter box or something so u can watch 3d movies on a normal lcd tv. now i have the unb556000 samsung and its amazing, its 120 hrtz, i belive it can support the new type of 3d, it has to. just like i said if i can take my ps3 and hook it up to a tv made 20 years ago i can watch 3d on my tv. i have my bloody valetine and coroline on blu ray and there in 3d there the green and red shutter glasses, my whole point is i can watch a regular 3d movie but WHY do i need a NEW damn tv. thats a load of crap if u ask me, there HAS TO BE a converter box or somethin there just has to. now i understand in buying new shutter glasses, maybe even a new blu ray player but i have a ps3 so im getting the update, but not a new tv, theres just no way. can some1 let me know how this is gonna happen. no1 can upgrade to a new tv.


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This 3D converter will work with any 60hz or 120hz TVs to make them support 3D (of course you need a 3D Source like bluray 3D or 3D games stereoscopic)
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WHY cant you watch the new type of 3d on a normal LCD tv, now i know its a different type of 3d, but damn. there has to be a converter box or something so u can watch 3d movies on a normal lcd tv. .
you could if they wanted to let you. Which they obviously don't. Because I used to have such a thing for a short while, during the days of 4:3 tv, and I did not need to buy a new tv set to watch it in 3D.

It was the field sequential shutter 3d glasses.

Which came with a pack of 3 Imax movies.

But one of the discs was defective. So I tried returning it.

But they would only let me exchange it for another dvd. And the whole set had to be turned in.

I exchanged it for another dvd set (2D).

Which now I kind of wish I hadn't.

As that show was completely terrible, imo.

I prefer the passive 3D tv system anyways.

Which I now have.

I could see too much flickering with the field sequential active shutter 3d glasses I had.
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