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Old 05-14-2010, 02:29 PM   #2001
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Paul, I am thinking that with the one sub's crossover down to 40Hz, that it didn't move the driver as frequently or not at all until the frequency was low enough to fall under the cutoff. So, perhaps the Yammy didn't detect any movement, yet still recognized the sub itself and it some how calculated that the sub was not in sync with the other sub without the crossover. This might prompt it to recognize them as out of phase?
That's what I was trying to say as well And he has a Sony
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That's what I was trying to say as well And he has a Sony
Yeah, you guys are finally making some sense! The frequency cutoff was probably what did it. Tricked it into thinking it was in phase. I'll play around with it some more tonight.

And yes, I do have a Sony. But hopefully in another week or two it will be a Pioneer Elite.
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That's what I was trying to say as well And he has a Sony
Whatever....if it isn't a Pioneer, why should I care?!
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Hello Progs. (I hope you do not mind me shortening your call sign!)

Ain't it cool (pardon the colloquialism), when you discover something new or rather "new to you" about your system?
Regarding the subwoofer phase quandary, I do believe that if we all concentrate with jedi-like intensity, Yoda (a.k.a. Big Daddy) will show up and will have a thorough, although highly technical explanation for the differences in subwoofer phasing and crossover performance.
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I lowered both subs down to Min on the crossover, thinking I was lowering the phase on both to 0. But that could be the explanation. I know the drivers didn't sound like they were responding much in the higher end of the spectrum during the auto-cal test. You could be right, my friend.

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Hello Progs. (I hope you do not mind me shortening your call sign!)

Ain't it cool (pardon the colloquialism), when you discover something new or rather "new to you" about your system?
Regarding the subwoofer phase quandary, I do believe that if we all concentrate with jedi-like intensity, Yoda (a.k.a. Big Daddy) will show up and will have a thorough, although highly technical explanation for the differences in subwoofer phasing and crossover performance.
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Hello Progs. (I hope you do not mind me shortening your call sign!)

Ain't it cool (pardon the colloquialism), when you discover something new or rather "new to you" about your system?
Regarding the subwoofer phase quandary, I do believe that if we all concentrate with jedi-like intensity, Yoda (a.k.a. Big Daddy) will show up and will have a thorough, although highly technical explanation for the differences in subwoofer phasing and crossover performance.
Yep, with a touch of sarcasm and a pinch of dry humor as well!
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Hi John, I'm doing well thank you! How are you? Excited, I bet. I saw you bought Todd's Rotel. Congrats! Any word on what he is buying? He referenced watching the tracking number this weekend...
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Whatever....if it isn't a Pioneer, why should I care?!
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I'm getting there, buddy. I'm getting the itch. It won't be long now.
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Hello Progs. (I hope you do not mind me shortening your call sign!)

Ain't it cool (pardon the colloquialism), when you discover something new or rather "new to you" about your system?
Regarding the subwoofer phase quandary, I do believe that if we all concentrate with jedi-like intensity, Yoda (a.k.a. Big Daddy) will show up and will have a thorough, although highly technical explanation for the differences in subwoofer phasing and crossover performance.
Hi ld, you can call me just about anything (except Eric ). I'm not picky.

You bring up a good suggestion. I should shoot Big Daddy a PM and see if he has any ideas.
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I'm getting there, buddy. I'm getting the itch. It won't be long now.
I'm sure that itch has caused a big open wound by now
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I love my Yammy..
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I was looking seriously at them as well. I like the true support for dual subwoofers (even though media doesn't support it, I do like the option as opposed to Pioneer's single LFE out). The thing that pulled me away from Yamaha was the YPAO. I am a tweaker by nature, and I know that the YPAO will not give me what I'm looking for. It was for this reason predominantly that I chose to go with the Pio Elite - MCACC will give my tweaker's urge the fix that it needs.
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Hi John, I'm doing well thank you! How are you? Excited, I bet. I saw you bought Todd's Rotel. Congrats! Any word on what he is buying? He referenced watching the tracking number this weekend...
Hi Paul,

He hasn't told me or anyone else as far as I know. I'm dying to find out what he's been up to!

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Hi Eric,

I love my Yamaha AVR as well, but for 2-channel I think the Rotels will be much better.

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He hasn't told me or anyone else as far as I know. I'm dying to find out what he's been up to!

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I'm very curious to find out. I was chatting with him a few weeks back about some different options. I was trying to urge him to match his front soundstage now that he has the Paradigm center. He was looking at about 10 different options. All of them were really good options, but I thought upgrading his Polk mains to Paradigm would give him the best bang for the buck. But I don't know if his latest purchase is anything along those lines or something else altogether.
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I'm very curious to find out. I was chatting with him a few weeks back about some different options. I was trying to urge him to match his front soundstage now that he has the Paradigm center. He was looking at about 10 different options. All of them were really good options, but I thought upgrading his Polk mains to Paradigm would give him the best bang for the buck. But I don't know if his latest purchase is anything along those lines or something else altogether.
So you think it might be new Paradigm fronts?

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So you think it might be new Paradigm fronts?

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No, I don't think that is what he decided. Sean and I both suggested that to him, but he was thinking Oppo and / or maybe an amp. The amp I can support, but in his case, I personally didn't think the Oppo was the best return on investment because he already has a blu-ray player. Upgrading the front soundstage to match his center was the easy choice in my mind, but he indicated he was happy with the Polk towers for now. So I really don't know what he decided. I'm very much in the dark, like the rest of us. He's kept this one very close to the chest, but I'm hoping for a grand unveiling soon.
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