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Old 04-04-2010, 04:10 AM   #1
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ive got 2 paradigm servo v2's and 1 of them has a broken rca low level input, and i was wondering if i could use the balenced xlr input, and if so can anyone suggest a reasonably priced cable?

FYI if it matters im using a denon 4308ci as my recever
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ive got 2 paradigm servo v2's and 1 of them has a broken rca low level input, and i was wondering if i could use the balenced xlr input, and if so can anyone suggest a reasonably priced cable?

FYI if it matters im using a denon 4308ci as my recever
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thanks a bunch zippo! i was thinking that i was gonna have too pay for repairs on the sub and my budget is wayyyy exausted after my latest upgrades
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For other length RCA to XLR cables, here is a better link:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/su...02&cp_id=10244

If you plan to connect an unbalanced output to a balanced input, I highly recommend that you use the Samson S-Convert from Sweetwater.




An S-Convert can solve input/output level problems for level matching consumer and professional audio equipment. For example, if you use an RCA to XLR cable from your receiver/preamp to your amplifier, you will notice a drop of several dB's. The RCA connectors have a reference line level signal of -10dBV (0.316 Volts rms). The XLR connectores have a reference line level signal of +4dBu (1.23 Vrms). When a home audio equipment with an RCA output is connected to a pro audio equipment’s XLR input, the signal will have to increase by as much as 12 dB.

The biggest advantage that XLR offers is grounding and less noise problems. A lot of time, when you connect an RCA device to an XLR device, the level may not be sufficient and you need to increase the output level of the source to match the input level of the destination. The Samson S-Convert does this plus it will also reduce any chance of noise or hum.

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S-convert provides a convenient solution for matching levels and interfacing audio devices,
either on stage or in the studio. The S convert is a specially designed miniature level
matching device that allows you to convert stereo –10dBV (RCA) signals like those from
consumer CD players and cassette recorders, to +4 dBu (XLR) signals like those from professional
mixers, outboard effects processors and DAT machines to name some. The S
convert works in both directions and features male and female XLR connectors for the balanced
+4dBu inputs and outputs, along with RCA connectors for the unbalanced –10dBV
inputs and outputs. The addition of +4 and –10 LEVEL controls allows you to use S convert
to calibrate your signals to an exact level.
If you plan to buy the S-Convert, you will need two cables:
  1. A sub cable to connect the receiver to the S-Convert.
  2. A female to male XLR cable to connect the S-Convert to the subwoofer's amp.
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For other length RCA to XLR cables, here is a better link:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/su...&cs_id=1024404

If you plan to connect an unbalanced output to a balanced input, I highly recommend that you use the Samson S-Convert from Sweetwater.






An S-Convert can solve input/output level problems for level matching consumer and professional audio equipment. For example, if you use an RCA to XLR cable from your receiver/preamp to your amplifier, you will notice a drop of several dB's. The RCA connectors have a reference line level signal of -10dBV (0.316 Volts rms). The XLR connectores have a reference line level signal of +4dBu (1.23 Vrms). When a home audio equipment with an RCA output is connected to a pro audio equipment’s XLR input, the signal will have to increase by as much as 12 dB.

The biggest advantage that XLR offers is grounding and less noise problems. A lot of time, when you connect an RCA device to an XLR device, the level may not be sufficient and you need to increase the output level of the source to match the input level of the destination. The Samson S-Convert does this plus it will also reduce any chance of noise or hum.

This is from the Manual:



If you plan to buy the S-Convert, you will need two cables:
  1. A sub cable to connect the receiver to the S-Convert.
  2. A female to male XLR cable to connect the S-Convert to the subwoofer's amp.
thanks big d if i decide to go the xlr route for my other sub will i need a second s converter or does it have multiple inputs for a second sub?
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thanks big d if i decide to go the xlr route for my other sub will i need a second s converter or does it have multiple inputs for a second sub?
The S-Convert has two channels and can handle two subwoofers. It can convert two RCA inputs to two XLR outputs and level match them. It can also convert two XLR inputs to RCA outputs and lower their levels.

I have a Behringer EP4000 pro amplifier that powers two of my subwoofers. It only has XLR and 1/4" TSR inputs. I use an S-Convert to connect to the amp and power both subwoofers.
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The S-Convert has two channels and can handle two subwoofers. It can convert two RCA inputs to two XLR outputs and level match them. It can also convert two XLR inputs to RCA outputs and lower their levels.

I have a Behringer EP4000 pro amplifier that powers two of my subwoofers. It only has XLR and 1/4" TSR inputs. I use an S-Convert to connect to the amp and power both subwoofers.
thanks a lot big d cant even put into words how much your wisdom has helped me go from a newbie to a some what educated newbie , i am truely grateful.

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thanks a lot big d cant even put into words how much your wisdom has helped me go from a newbie to a some what educated newbie , i am truely grateful.
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