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Old 02-20-2016, 04:05 PM   #361
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Faraon didn't have smearing but did have DNR and also a stretched aspect ratio (too wide) which warps everything.
Yes, i noticed that it does but maybe it was released like that originally.
Many hollywood films had this cinemascore "mumps", and released that way, distorted.
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even the uncompressed one show lots of DNR.
Yet no haloing or other nasty side effects of it are visible (at least to me). The movie looks stunning in 1080p, vivid colors and lots of striking scenes. 99.9% of the average viewers would think so too. Besides, it's a very important film and who knows if/when it'll get another release on Blu-ray (hopefully it will but you never know, and even if it does it undoubtedly will be the same transfer).
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Protection: AACS
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Disc Title: SALTO
Disc Size: 34,713,344,625 bytes
Protection: AACS
BD-Java: No
Playlist: 00008.MPLS
Size: 313,681,920 bytes
Length: 0:01:16.958
Total Bitrate: 32.61 Mbps
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Audio: Polish / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Audio: Polish / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Subtitle: Polish / 0.003 kbps
Subtitle: English / 0.003 kbps
Subtitle: French / 0.003 kbps

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Wow.

This looks bad. I didn't know you can make grain (or what's left of it) look this awful.
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Yet no haloing or other nasty side effects of it are visible (at least to me). The movie looks stunning in 1080p, vivid colors and lots of striking scenes. 99.9% of the average viewers would think so too. Besides, it's a very important film and who knows if/when it'll get another release on Blu-ray (hopefully it will but you never know, and even if it does it undoubtedly will be the same transfer).
Edge enhancement has nothing to do with DNR.
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Ok, I did what I said I was going to do, post screenshots of Salto and Pharaoh. Both movies look good to me. Too bad they don't to the majority of posters in this thread. Sorry that you won't be able to enjoy them as much as I did. Thanks to filmmusic for his great help. Now to enjoy the rest of this fine set.
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Ok, I did what I said I was going to do, post screenshots of Salto and Pharaoh. Both movies look good to me. Too bad they don't to the majority of posters in this thread. Sorry that you won't be able to enjoy them as much as I did. Thanks to filmmusic for his great help. Now to enjoy the rest of this fine set.
Thanks, are those 2 the only ones with complaints of problematic transfers?

Personally from the screenshots alone, Pharaoh looks too smooth, not denying it might look good, but something is odd, a good example that I though was too bad in motion because of DNR was Pan's Labyrinth not sure if you have seen that, I don't see problems with Salto other than it is not as sharp as other films of the time.

I will probably watch them next weekend to see them in motion.
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Thanks, are those 2 the only ones with complaints of problematic transfers?

Personally from the screenshots alone, Pharaoh looks too smooth, not denying it might look good, but something is odd, a good example that I though was too bad in motion because of DNR was Pan's Labyrinth not sure if you have seen that, I don't see problems with Salto other than it is not as sharp as other films of the time.

I will probably watch them next weekend to see them in motion.
I watched The Constant Factor yesterday and it did show more quite a bit more grain than the first two. Haven't checked out any of the others yet.
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This weekend I watched Salto, Pharaoh and The Hourglass Sanatorium in a 120" screen and I have to say they all look fine to me, I consider myself picky about PQ but not overly so, I guess I am a bit less picky about older films.

Pharaoh is the most problematic due to the smoothness mentioned, but from the restoration comparisons it is hard to notice the original grain structure due to the fading colors, doesn't look like it had much grain to begin with.

Salto looks better but has some small issues, sometimes the grain seems stuck and looks weird, seems in both these cases, the digital restoration could have been better if they would have chosen to left some of the film issues instead of manipulating the image to the point it is noticeable.

The Hourglass Sanatorium looks more natural and better than the others, the only slight issues are some changes in colors but it is hardly noticeable and doesn't happen that often, then again I have not seen much criticism to this transfer.

Overall in the film department I am not sure what I got into, Salto is the one I have enjoyed more so far, Pharaoh is quite hard to follow and a bit dull at times but still interesting, I love surreal movies but I don't know what the director of The Hourglass Sanatorium was smoking, it looks quite cool and the atmosphere is great, seems like Terry Gilliam must have this guy as inspiration, but I couldn't get anything emotional out of it, mainly because I don't know what it is supposed to be about, maybe I need to read some more about the context of the film.

Still looking forward for the next 5 films.
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I just ordered this standard dvd of this Supernatural themed film from Punktt44.pl.com:

Polish | DVDRip | MKV | AVC, 1910 Kbps | 720×428 | 25.000 fps | 1.48 GB
Audio: AC-3, 448 Kbps | 6 channels | 48.0 KHz | Runtime: 01:29:56 minutes | Subtitles: English, Polish.

I was hoping a blu-ray version was available but alas not!

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In last weeks I've been trying to complete the Masterpieces of polish cinema, after being thrown out a bit by the first three I saw, I must say I am on a role with the next 4:

The Promised Land, Camouflage, Provincial Actors, The Constant Factor

While some are quite dialog heavy all of them deal with pretty universal human themes, I really liked them, two that stand up for me are The Promised Land which has specially great Cinematography and The Constant Factor which while it has similar themes to the other from the same director: Camouflage I think it drives it's points better with it's lower run-time and also being less dialog driven I found this even more effective, this is the more reminiscent of Kieslowski so far and it is probably the one I have enjoyed more.

As for the transfers I must say they all have been pretty consistent, they are all very good, at the same level as The Hourglass Sanatorium, without any slight color variations, if I had to nitpick though, I would say the color palette of The Constant Factor is way too pale at times, but I don't really know how it should be.

Now all I am looking forward is to Man of Iron which seems to be one of the more well known on the set.

Does anybody has any Idea when will the Vol 2. come out?

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I've watched the first 5 and so far my favorite is Promised Land. The PQ on these is surprisingly good. I've started on Man of Iron but so far it doesn't seem to be up my alley. But I'm very happy with the set thus far and am looking forward to volume 2.
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Last I heard they were shooting for June for Volume 2.
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Any word on volume 2 yet?
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Any word on volume 2 yet?
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Volume 2 is printing this month. Join Milestone's email list at http://milestonefilms.us3.list-manag...&id=f30d1906e2 as it's the way we're announcing their availability to the public. It will be about 10 minutes after the shipment gets to our office.
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Old 06-16-2016, 03:24 AM   #376
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Last night I saw my last from the set: Man of Iron and while it was a bit hard to get into, it ended up being one of my favorites from the set (that final song was kind of chilling) along with The Constant Factor, I didn't knew it was a sequel to Man of Marble, looking forward to that too, also Man of Iron looks stunning, I think this is the best transfer from the set.

Overall this set was a great experience, I wasn't aware of many of all these political issues in Poland, especially it is a kind of shock that some of them are so recent.

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Old 06-17-2016, 02:55 PM   #377
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I have been very pleased with the transfers (still have one to go though). They did a very good job on these. Look forward to volume 2!
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Old 06-20-2016, 09:44 AM   #378
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Hi,

Don't know if You already knew, but DEKALOG is finally coming 2 BD courtesy of CC including the 2 cinema versions of "A short film about..."

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=19252
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Old 07-07-2016, 07:13 PM   #379
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Dear Milestone -

I have a bunch of money to give you, so, you know, just let me know when I can give it to you.

Thanks!
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Old 09-19-2016, 10:22 AM   #380
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Martin Scorsese Presents Masterpieces of Polish Cinema Volume 2 is already on sale. Volume 3 is supposed to be released in October. Yes, this year

http://store.mspresents.com/screen/allproducts
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