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aiman04 · 04-10-2012, 11:50 PM

I can agree, if Solo dies it would give more impact not just to Return of the Jedi, but to the whole trilogy.

PeterTHX · 04-10-2012, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RuttedCatfish

very interesting take. I have to agree

How? Solo volunteered for the Endor mission. ANH or ESB Han would not have done that.

He was more tender with Leia and seemed resigned to losing her to Luke ("you love him, don't you?") at the end. Not entirely the same guy two films ago.

al cos. · 04-11-2012, 01:22 AM

Exactly. (I always wished the sandstorm had stayed in, if only because it helps show how Han was humbled both by the near-death experience and the gang risking their neck to save him.)

gregmasciola · 04-11-2012, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

How? Solo volunteered for the Endor mission. ANH or ESB Han would not have done that.

He was more tender with Leia and seemed resigned to losing her to Luke ("you love him, don't you?") at the end. Not entirely the same guy two films ago.

Exactly. His sarcastic smart-ass attitude was toned down quite a bit and he was actually caring about other people than himself. Killing Han early in the third film would have ruined it, in my opinion. Although maybe having him die somewhere near the end could have worked. But the trilogy wouldn't have had as much of a happy ending.

poke smot · 04-11-2012, 01:50 AM

killing Han Solo off in rotj???? come on people start making sense. the movies are what they are. oh wait a minute, they are what lucas wants them to be and then be again....

ZoetMB · 04-11-2012, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by tuck301

killing Han Solo off in rotj???? come on people start making sense. the movies are what they are. oh wait a minute, they are what lucas wants them to be and then be again....

Harrison Ford claims he asked to be killed off, but I forget whether he wanted to be killed off in the 2nd film or the 3rd.

But out of the three primary characters: Luke, Leia and Han, Ford was the best of the actors, so taking him out of the equation would have harmed the films and it also would have lost the love interest.

Remember also that Lucas at one point envisioned nine films: three prequels and three sequels. Those sequels could have included the Han Solo character, although by the time he got to them, Ford probably would not have participated anyway - he was a bigger star by then.

AlexSing · 04-11-2012, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

How? Solo volunteered for the Endor mission. ANH or ESB Han would not have done that.

He was more tender with Leia and seemed resigned to losing her to Luke ("you love him, don't you?") at the end. Not entirely the same guy two films ago.

Wow. I agree with PeterTHX. Is this the end of days? If I see John Cusack in a limosine I'll know why....

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budious · 04-11-2012, 11:33 AM

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Dynamo of Eternia · 04-11-2012, 12:34 PM

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Request seems innocent enough... then see poll.

Sorry to go off topic here, but I noticed your avatar. Is that picture of you, and if so, where did you get that proton pack?

s2mikey · 04-11-2012, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

How? Solo volunteered for the Endor mission. ANH or ESB Han would not have done that.

He was more tender with Leia and seemed resigned to losing her to Luke ("you love him, don't you?") at the end. Not entirely the same guy two films ago.

Gotta agree here! Han goes through some very big changes, IMO. His "arc" is potentailly the greatest of all. Sure, he retains his witty, sometimes agitating sense of humor and impatience with things but the guys heart opens up and he starts to believe in the greater cause instead of just himself.

How does anyone miss this?

Geoff D · 04-11-2012, 12:59 PM

I miss the badass Han from the first two movies who manages to "grow" as a character without turning into a total bee-yotch, which is what happens in Jedi.

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Sorry to go off topic here, but I noticed your avatar. Is that picture of you, and if so, where did you get that proton pack?

That's William Shatner.

darthrazz · 04-11-2012, 02:47 PM

I don't recall where I read it, but I think Lucas wanted to have Calrissian and the Falcon destroyed on their way out of the second death star.

Dynamo of Eternia · 04-11-2012, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

That's William Shatner.

So it is! I should have caught that the first time. But it's a fairly small pic, and I was more focued on the pack, itself.

darthrazz · 04-11-2012, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by fassbenderfan

I don't think so.. Lucas said he hated it when his favorite characters died in movies

Turns out to be Urban Legend!

Didn't Lando Calrissian originally die at the end of Jedi?

No. The story that Lando originally died and had his fate altered to survive after disastrous test screenings is a Star Wars Urban Legend. In no released version of the script does he die (nor in "The Annotated Screenplays"), and both writer Lawrence Kasdan and actor Billy Dee Williams have dismissed this rumour. The IGN review of the Star Wars Trilogy box set is incorrect in saying that Lando originally didn't make it out in time when the second Death Star exploded. There were never any test screenings of Return of the Jedi. However, Harrison Ford did strongly argue with George Lucas that his character Han Solo should die, quoting himself as having said "He's got no momma, no poppa; let's kill him off and add some weight to this thing." Lucas denied Ford his request, preferring to let Han live and have the story end on a much happier note.

Magicmonger · 04-11-2012, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by darthrazz

I don't recall where I read it, but I think Lucas wanted to have Calrissian and the Falcon destroyed on their way out of the second death star.

WHAT?!?!

chip75 · 04-11-2012, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by budious

As for the scene in debata, according to this the darkening on Solo's shirt was original caused by stage lighting but fixed digitally for SE.

When Harrison turned up to the set to shoot the carbon freezing scene he noticed a continuity error. His shirt was only short-sleeved instead of the usual long-sleeved one. I guess under his jacket he wore a short-sleeved shirt?

I always though an error remained but I guess the lighting reason explains it!

Jay444 · 04-11-2012, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

How? Solo volunteered for the Endor mission. ANH or ESB Han would not have done that.

He was more tender with Leia and seemed resigned to losing her to Luke ("you love him, don't you?") at the end. Not entirely the same guy two films ago.

Exactly! Solo had character progression for sure. He went from a Rogue to a Hero character. The example of volunteering for the Endor mission in Jedi is quite the departure (growth) from wanting to get the hell off of Yavin and not be part of a 'suicide mission.'

It is also what makes the Greedo scene so controversial nowadays as the character progression from heartless rogue to hero was much more obvious with him shooting before Greedo has a chance. That is basically something the Solo of RotJ would not do (Leia is a different story though..lol). So it muddles the progression just a lil bit, but not a deal breaker.

budious · 04-11-2012, 04:50 PM

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It is also what makes the Greedo scene so controversial nowadays as the character progression from heartless rogue to hero was much more obvious with him shooting before Greedo has a chance. That is basically something the Solo of RotJ would not do (Leia is a different story though..lol). So it muddles the progression just a lil bit, but not a deal breaker.

Solo has survival instincts, those never go away. He would still shoot first and tip for clean up later. Solo is suffering for classic male in love syndrome and acting a damn fool cause of Leia in the second and third movies. Also, since Luke and Leia rescued Han from Jabba at the start of the film, he's kind of obligated to put his neck on the line for the Alliance.

KaineKinetic · 04-11-2012, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fassbenderfan

I don't think so.. Lucas said he hated it when his favorite characters died in movies

if you watch, you can "see" the Falcon blow up just before it escapes the secondary exhaust explosion.

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04-10-2012, 11:50 PM	#41401
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04-11-2012, 01:22 AM	#41403
al cos. Senior Member Member since:Apr 2009	Exactly. (I always wished the sandstorm had stayed in, if only because it helps show how Han was humbled both by the near-death experience and the gang risking their neck to save him.)

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04-11-2012, 02:47 PM	#41413
darthrazz Member Member since:Mar 2012 Blu-ray collection:48 DVD collection:16 Trading Score:3	I don't recall where I read it, but I think Lucas wanted to have Calrissian and the Falcon destroyed on their way out of the second death star.