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Old 01-01-2011, 04:53 PM   #101
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I have had playability problems ever since I installed 1.69 update. Won't play some manufactured blu ray discs and quite a few computer generated dvds
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Old 01-12-2011, 03:48 PM   #102
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Default New Firmware on US Site for Owners of Pioneer 51 and 05

For owners of Pioneer's 51FD and Elite 05FD, Pioneer has just loaded firmwre v1.70 to their U.S. site.

If you're having problems playing some discs, you may want to try loading this firmware update and see if it solves your problems.

I have both the 51 and 05 and these machines, while they load slowly, still deliver outstanding picture/audio quality.

Here is the link. Just go into the firmware section and then firmware change history. Enjoy!!

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...ayers/BDP-51FD
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Old 01-12-2011, 06:42 PM   #103
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For owners of Pioneer's 51FD and Elite 05FD, Pioneer has just loaded firmwre v1.70 to their U.S. site.

If you're having problems playing some discs, you may want to try loading this firmware update and see if it solves your problems.

I have both the 51 and 05 and these machines, while they load slowly, still deliver outstanding picture/audio quality.

Here is the link. Just go into the firmware section and then firmware change history. Enjoy!!

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...ayers/BDP-51FD
My problem wasn't the firmware it was a physical problem with the pickup assembly - but my symptoms (plays certain discs fine, won't play others) are common to what others have experienced. I'd suggest they take their players in to get looked at vs. holding out hope that a FW update will fix it.
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Old 04-17-2011, 04:35 AM   #104
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You should have firmware version 1.70. Which is the latest update from Pioneer. I hope this helps.
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Old 05-26-2011, 09:32 PM   #105
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Default Pioneer BDP-51FD question

For listening to CDs, I've heard that the analog outs (stereo) on this unit benefit from the Wolfson DACs. Does the same go for the HDMI out? My system is all setup HDMI into the receiver and out to the TV. I'm wondering if for CDs I should hook up the analog outs? Would I have to change the menu setting in the player each time?
Not sure how this works. Any help is appreciated!
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Old 05-26-2011, 11:15 PM   #106
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For listening to CDs, I've heard that the analog outs (stereo) on this unit benefit from the Wolfson DACs. Does the same go for the HDMI out? My system is all setup HDMI into the receiver and out to the TV. I'm wondering if for CDs I should hook up the analog outs? Would I have to change the menu setting in the player each time?
Not sure how this works. Any help is appreciated!
If you are using an HDMI connection, you are using the Integra's DACs as opposed to the player's.
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Old 05-27-2011, 01:44 AM   #107
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For listening to CDs, I've heard that the analog outs (stereo) on this unit benefit from the Wolfson DACs. Does the same go for the HDMI out?i\
No. With HDMI, the digital analog conversion happens in the receiver and uses the AVR's DACs.

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I'm wondering if for CDs I should hook up the analog outs? Would I have to change the menu setting in the player each time?
The analog stereo outputs should be active all the time. So, if you do a second connection, you should not need to change the setup. Simply select the analog source on your receiver when you want to hear that source.

But, there's one catch you need to be aware of. Your receiver will redigitize the analog stereo inputs unless you tell it not to. Redigitizing means you won't get the benefit of the Wolfson DACs. You'll end up doing a DAC in the player and then an ADC and another DAC in the receiver. So, if you want to get the output of the player's DACs, you'll need to set the receiver to Direct (or a name to that effect). That prevents redigitization. But, it also means you won't be able to use your receiver's bass management or room correction features. Your sub will be silent. In the end, you may not find any improvement by using the player's analog output. But, I guess you won't know unless you try it.
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Old 05-27-2011, 03:12 PM   #108
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For listening to CDs, I've heard that the analog outs (stereo) on this unit benefit from the Wolfson DACs. Does the same go for the HDMI out? My system is all setup HDMI into the receiver and out to the TV. I'm wondering if for CDs I should hook up the analog outs? Would I have to change the menu setting in the player each time?
Not sure how this works. Any help is appreciated!
Thought I answered this for you yesterday in person

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Old 08-15-2011, 03:44 PM   #109
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Default New Firmware for Pioneer Elite 05 and 51FD Players!!

For all of the owners still holding onto their Pioneer Elite 05's and 51FD's, the Pioneer US site has just released firmware version 1.72. Should help with those having problems playing Rango, Source Code, etc.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...D?tab=firmware
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Old 10-01-2011, 01:35 AM   #110
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This all started this year, and I have had this player since Feb. 2009

In mid March I got Apocalypse Now 2-Disc Blu-ray. when I put it in my Pioneer BDP-51FD Blu-ray player it wouldn't play it. It would have the sound trying to load it. After a bit of doing the loading a message comes on the TV screen saying Can't play disc. I open and close it same thing. Also the Blu-ray player's little screen has the message saying Unknown disc. So I took it out and put in T2 Judgment Day Skynet Edition Blu-Ray, it is also released by Lionsgate. Since it takes longer to load up. You don't know is there problems again even after since updating the firmware last year. There was no problems at all for the T2 blu-ray. So I took it out and put Apocalypse Now back in it worked. Since then I have not played it again.

In June I got the Blu-ray of True Grit (remake) and the same thing happen. so I'm thinking update the firmware. So I go to see does Pioneer have a new one on their site. Which they do and I follow on what to do to get it and load it on the player. After updating the firmware, still the same thing happen with the same messages happen. So I put in Apocalypse Now to see does it have the problem again, and it did. Now I put in T2 to see does it work and it still do. So I take it out and try those two again, and still the same problem happens. Then I told myself try Face/Off, since it is also released by Paramount. That worked, so I took it out put back in True Grit still the same problem. I gave Apocalypse Now one more try same problem still happen. For True Grit (remake) I had tryed it like 22 times and it only worked at 3 different times only on the Pioneer BDP-51FD.

What I did finally was return True Grit (remake) and did not exchange for another one to try out does it still have the same problem or not.

As of now two Blu-Ray movies I got that had NO PROBLEMS when I first played it started to not work or play in the player now. Even the sound to read it or start it up is different just like what had happen with True Grit (remake). It would NOT have that fan sound, for the Blu-Ray disc that have that problems. But the Blu-Ray discs that work would have that fan like sound when reading or loading it. After it done reading and trying to load it comes out with these two messages CAN'T PLAY THIS DISC and UNKNOWN DISC, on the HDTV screen and player's little screen, eveytime. For the ones that are not working sometime or almost all the time. After doing so muvh orf this I can tell the difference on the loading/Reading sound that it working or not each time. The two movies that started having that problem are Casino and Miami Vice. I got Casino back in April it work the very first time playing it, four days later it still worked. Then I didn't play it till August 8 it still worked, then it didn't starting on Sept. 17, when I first put it in the player. For about a week didn't play it then Sept. 24 at night played it it worked. That after I played a pirated Chinese DVD that had weird sound when loading it, but nothing bad at all. The next day I tryed it again it didn't work again now it still don't work. Miami Vice got that in early June and no problems with it till now. The movie Magnificent Seven it didn't work the first four times I tryed. Then I got it to work as I tryed again. Now again it don't work, and it could increase to not on this player in my guess. Same thing with the other ones that having the same problem. But I could be wrong about that.

When I got the new release of Rango it worked the very first time I put it in the player and it still worked a week and two days later. I don't about now since I have not put it in the player again to see is there that problem or not now.

I did try True Grit on other players before returning it. And it worked right away with NO PROBLEMS, my friend's PS3 and my uncle's roommate's Sony Blu-Ray player. But just once only.


These are what some people have said could fix the problem, when I first posted about True Grit (remake)on another forum. But I don't know.

BDMV memory clearing (tried that didn't have any and did help)

Do a factory reset after a firmware update(did that and did help solve the problem)

These players are finicky (some worse than others) so even if they work in another player is not a guarantee they are ok for the Pio and I would ask the shop/dealer to replace them.

1. Try them in another player does not matter if it is a PS3 or a Samsung or whatever this will at least establish to some degree if the discs are faulty or not.

2. It is known that on rare occasions some discs that are perfectly OK will not play on all players even from the same manufacturer it will play on some but not others, often a replacement disc will cure this problem (I think you will see reference to this in all manufacturers small print, for Pioneer I think it is in the first few pages of the manual). There really is not a lot that can be done about this apart from trying a replacement disc or borrowing someone elses copy to try and then get yours replaced if it worked.

4. Last but not least, your laser lens may be a little dirty with dust or small hair deposits, it happens over time, for some it happens earlier for some it takes a long time and is dependent on the use of the player, children or not, pets or not, geographical location etc. Whether you need it or not get yourself a good for bluray lens cleaner as I mentioned in my earlier post to you. Some don't beleive in them and I was skeptical till it helped me with a difficult DVD. Make sure it clearly says Bluray lens cleaner on the labelling Do not use DVD or CD lens cleaners I also as previously mentioned would not bother with the Maxell wind funnel design I really can't see it doing much good and Maxell Europe produced one with brushes instead.


Feel like wasting money on those two Blu-rays if the problem still not fix or can't be. So far those are the only Blu-rays I encounter that type of problem. I'm hoping NO other ones will start to have that problem later on or very soon that never did to begin with. Also new ones I'll be getting in the future.

So what is it , is it best to just get a new Blu-Ray player. I don't think it would have problems, it just like say trying it on a friend or relative's Panasonic, Sony, LG or newer Pioneer and the disc works. One thing I have not is go buy a Blu-Ray laser lens cleaner and cleaning it. Would that solve the problem. Like I said when it loading/reading the Blu-Ray disc and it works right there a fan like spining sound. when not it don't have sound that at all.

By the way I have updated the firmware from 1.71 to 1.72. Before the True Grit problem, it was updated to 1.65 for T2.

SO ANY SUGGESTION AND HELP WOULD BE GREAT.

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Old 10-04-2011, 03:22 AM   #111
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This problem has been around since day one with Blu-ray and has really become a problem since BD-Live has been offered on most BD disc now. Why some BD players with current firmware updates can play alot of movies without a problem and others cannot is a real mystery. If your player settings are set up correctly and your player has the current firmware then your player should play any BD disc you put in it. NOT THE CASE!!!!!!! This problem pertains to all model players and obviously the companies do not have a clue as to why this happens. Sometimes a firmware update helps, sometimes setting BD-LIVE to OFF helps, sometimes adding external memory "FLASH OR SD CARD" helps, and rarely does cleaning the disc helps. I have returned NEW BD disc and still had this problem with BLU-RAY movies. This is still a NEW FORMAT so I guess we have to be patient but every single day you will find this problem on this forum somewhere and it is becoming pretty pathetic. Some BD disc are loaded heavy with alot of data and that is fine because external and internal memory will fix that but what will fix players just not wanting to load certain BD disc is a mystery. I do not think this problem will completely ever go away and my suggestion is do what I did and that is have plenty of BD players in the house and before doing a firmware update get on this forum and check to see if there are any issues with it and TURN OFF BD LIVE. Even doing this you will still get an occasional issue with a new BD release but for now this is all we can do I guess. I own a new Sony BD 570, new Panasonic BD 85, a 1yr. old Sony BD 360 and BD 350, and a Sony Playstation "new slim model" and usually out of all these I can find one of them that will play a BD movie if one wants to act up. PRETTY SAD THAT IT HAS TO BE THIS WAY BUT IF ANYONE KNOWS SOMETHING I DONT PLEASE FEEL FREE TO LET ALL OF US KNOW INCLUDING ALL THE ELECTRONIC COMPANIES. Sorry but I get tired of reading these forums about problems such as this because it happens every single day. I will never give up on BLU-RAY and I hope nobody else will either because it is still a NEW FORMAT.

Then what about this, when Blu-Ray dics that use to play out of a sudden whenever it don't play. Like I have Casino from Universal that use to play when I first brought it and alittle after five months it don't out of a sudden and three other ones from the same movie studio out of a sudden is having the same problems. Also Die Hard With a Vengeance is not playing, but it did when I first brought it. When I first got The Magnificent Seven it would not play I try it four times taking it out and putting it back in the player. then when ever I got it to play. For a while it worked, now it don't again. All of those Blu-Rays I said worked for while in the Pioneer BDP-51FD, before it didn't and MAYBE OUT OF SUDDEN GET LUCKY IT WILL AGAIN AND NOT AGAIN. hAVING THAT BACK AND FOURTH. Also when it loading/reading the Blu-Ray disc and it works right there a fan like spining sound. When not it don't have that sound that at all and there is these two messages CAN'T PLAY THIS DISC and UNKNOWN DISC, on the HDTV screen and player's little screen, eveytime.

By the way I have updated the firmware from defult to 1.65 then to 1.71 and now 1.72.

I saw this on another forum people who has a Pioneer BDP-51FD can't play the Star Wars Blu-Ray I read thie either her or another a person with a Philip Blu-Ray player don't know the model or profile, but could be before the 2.0. He could not play any of the Blu-Rays from Universal. So he give it away to friend, when he got tired of the problem. He said when there was a frimware update he help with that and it would play the Blu-Rays from Universal.

So what are the chances a firmware update will help or still don't. Maybe it's a parts problem or the laser lens need cleaning to fix the problem.
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Old 10-04-2011, 05:37 AM   #112
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When not it don't have that sound that at all and there is these two messages CAN'T PLAY THIS DISC and UNKNOWN DISC, on the HDTV screen and player's little screen, eveytime.

By the way I have updated the firmware from defult to 1.65 then to 1.71 and now 1.72.

So what are the chances a firmware update will help or still don't. Maybe it's a parts problem or the laser lens need cleaning to fix the problem.
I am afraid to say these messages tend to mean that the player's disc drive is on its way out. My own Pioneer LX91/09FD is regularly displaying these messages on many discs now and there are many reports of this issue on the Pioneer threads on hardware sites such as AVS.
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I am afraid to say these messages tend to mean that the player's disc drive is on its way out. My own Pioneer LX91/09FD is regularly displaying these messages on many discs now and there are many reports of this issue on the Pioneer threads on hardware sites such as AVS.
That ONLY happens with certain Blu-Rays. There are NO problems with DVDs at all.
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That ONLY happens with certain Blu-Rays. There are NO problems with DVDs at all.
Mine plays around 50% of BD discs. Ditto no problems with DVDs or even CDs though.
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Old 10-08-2011, 06:34 AM   #115
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This is a long shot, but has anyone tried the blu-ray Bereavement? I tried it on mine tonight and it said "CANNOT READ THIS DISC".

Firmware is at 1.72.

Other problem discs:
Drive Angry 2D: freezes around 10 minute mark.
Beastly: Plays previews, but will not load menu.


This compatibility bullshit is really annoying!
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Hey guys, had some friends over to watch the new True Grit last night wouldn't ya know I also had problems. Player is upadated to Vers 1.72, the disc was a Blockbuster rental but very very clean and scratch free. About ten minutes in the image froze, restarted and skipped over that section and again after ten minutes the image froze. Tried a different movie for the night and everything played fine. This laser disc drive failure talk does have me a little unsettled. Every other Blu-Ray disc has played fine, my only other playback issue recently was a Dual Layer DVD-R with an AVCHD file burned on it.
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Contact Pioneer and let them know this so they can release a firmware update to correct it...their customer support phone number is on their website.

http://parts.pioneerelectronics.com/BDfirmware/

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Support

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Thanks for the links, I might try to contact them.

I exchanged my Bereavement blu-ray and the new copy had the same problem, so it definitely has to do with the firmware.
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New firmware will come out & it will work !!
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Thanks for the links, I might try to contact them.

I exchanged my Bereavement blu-ray and the new copy had the same problem, so it definitely has to do with the firmware.
Could it be a parts problem, well the start of it. Sit close to the to the Blu-Ray player and listen to it when it start to readand try to load the disc. Will it have that fan spining like sound. If NOT at all then it will have that saying on the HDTV screen and the player's little screen saying Can't play this disc and unknown disc. Some people at the AVS forum with 900 something page section devoted to the Pioneer BDP-51FD and it Pioneer Elite counterpart have said it one of these three things, laser lens needs to be clean, the laser lens could be dying or the drive could dying.

The Blu-Rays I have that use to play, when I first got them and don't now are:
Magnificent seven
Apocalypse Now
Cop Out
Die Hard With A Vengeance (sometime still plays and some time don't. Don't know when the next time it will or still won't. Just go to put the disc in to try.)
Miami Vice
X-Men Origins: Wolverine
Public Enemies
Casino
Never Say Never Again (sometime still plays and some time don't. Don't know when the next time it will or still won't. Just got to put the disc in to try.)
Spy Game

I have not try all of my Blu-Rays to see which still work, which don't or some do and some time don't. The Blu-Rays I told my dad to get in Hong Kong they all work when first put into the player and it had the fan spining like sound when reading to load it. It did not have the problem the True Grit remake had, which was the first seven trys it didn't load or play. Altogether I tryed 22 times over four days and it played only 3 times. In that I even updated the firmware from 1.65 to 1.71 after the first three or four trys. I also tryed that on my friend's PS3 worked the first time with no problems. It also worked on my uncle's roommate's Sony Blu-Ray player the first time. In the end I just returned True Grit to Costco telling them it didn't work on the player. I even updated the firmware from 1.71 to 1.72 when those I listed started not to play or load. Still did not help. But the Hong Kong ones worked as I have said. And I know those will work once I play it on another Blu-Ray player. By the way Harry Potter And The Deathly Hallow didn't play, the first two try. I barrow that from my uncle, but it did work in his player.

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