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Old 05-10-2010, 10:01 PM   #1
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3D video requires substantial data throughput, so you’ll want to use a High Speed HDMI cable (with or without Ethernet).
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All High Speed HDMI cables will support 3D when connected to 3D devices. You can use your existing High Speed HDMI cables.






I just bought a 63" Samsung 3d TV but I want to use the Panasonic 3d Blu-ray play because of the 2 HDMI outputs. Is this possible or do i need the Samsung player. The reason I ask is because of the Glasses. I don't think it matters but does anyone have a definate answer.
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Old 05-13-2010, 03:01 PM   #2
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You don't need to match brands of 3D TV to 3D Blu Ray players. Any 3D TV works with any 3D Blu Ray player.

As for the glasses, they work directly with the TV, so if you have a Samsung TV, you need to buy Samsung 3D glasses. They have a 'Starter Kit' that includes a 3D Blu Ray, 'Monsters Vs Aliens'.
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Old 05-13-2010, 03:04 PM   #3
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You don't need to match brands of 3D TV to 3D Blu Ray players. Any 3D TV works with any 3D Blu Ray player.

As for the glasses, they work directly with the TV, so if you have a Samsung TV, you need to buy Samsung 3D glasses. They have a 'Starter Kit' that includes a 3D Blu Ray, 'Monsters Vs Aliens'.
Well half right for now. Glasses will be universal when mass adoption happens. So I have heard, just flip over the Panny glasses to watch the Sammy and vice versa.

And for your Home Theater if you do not have a PS3, you will have to go all HDMI 1.4 with your gear so you might have to get a new AVReciever...I think

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Old 05-13-2010, 03:09 PM   #4
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I just bought a 63" Samsung 3d TV but I want to use the Panasonic 3d Blu-ray play because of the 2 HDMI outputs. Is this possible or do i need the Samsung player. The reason I ask is because of the Glasses. I don't think it matters but does anyone have a definate answer.
I was wondering why you wanted 2 HDMI outputs until I saw that they are doing that to combat the 1.4 issue. Sweet!

The glasses match with the TV and not the content
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Old 08-07-2010, 05:33 PM   #6
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I have just also purchased the Samsung 63" 8000 series plasma TV. I have a PS3 and a Yamaha receiver RX-V3800.

I bought the Audioquest Chocolate HDMI cable (it says high speed: 1080p/120hz - 3D - audio return channel) to connect from PS3 to the TV.

I already have the PS3 connected to the receiver for sound.

Do I need anything else for my setup to watch 3D?

I'm a little nervous because it is my first big TV purchase and I want everything to work properly. :0

Thanks so much!
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Old 08-07-2010, 09:47 PM   #7
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Well half right for now. Glasses will be universal when mass adoption happens. So I have heard, just flip over the Panny glasses to watch the Sammy and vice versa.

And for your HT if you do not have a PS3, you will have to go all HDM! 4.1 with your gear so you might have to get a new AVR...I think
I get to play with 3D TV's and Glasses all day at Best Buy/Magnolia.
Even though multiple articles state you can flip the Samsung Glasses and they work with the Panasonic, this is not completely true. You have to have a Samsung 3D set in the same room, and in the same direction as the Panasonic, since the glasses only come on when they detect the Samsung in the same room. Also, the tint in the glasses is completely different, so the image looks really bad. Therefore the glasses aren't quite universal. Since most customers at home would not have 2 3-D sets from different brands sitting next to each other in the same room of their home, they aren't compatible.
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I have just also purchased the Samsung 63" 8000 series plasma TV. I have a PS3 and a Yamaha receiver RX-V3800.

I bought the Audioquest Chocolate HDMI cable (it says high speed: 1080p/120hz - 3D - audio return channel) to connect from PS3 to the TV.

I already have the PS3 connected to the receiver for sound.

Do I need anything else for my setup to watch 3D?

I'm a little nervous because it is my first big TV purchase and I want everything to work properly. :0

Thanks so much!
J
Yes, you have the right HDMI cable, and it sounds like you have it hooked up right to the TV for Video. I'm assuming that you have the Optical cable running to the receiver from the PS3 for sound. This will result in only Dolby Digital and DTS sound, no lossless audio (TrueHD or DTS-HD MA) can be passed through the optical cord. Also, keep in mind that the PS3 is only 3D capable for games as of right now, 3D movie playback won't be available for at least a month or two. (Probably September 15th or around that time.)
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Yes, you have the right HDMI cable, and it sounds like you have it hooked up right to the TV for Video. I'm assuming that you have the Optical cable running to the receiver from the PS3 for sound. This will result in only Dolby Digital and DTS sound, no lossless audio (TrueHD or DTS-HD MA) can be passed through the optical cord. Also, keep in mind that the PS3 is only 3D capable for games as of right now, 3D movie playback won't be available for at least a month or two. (Probably September 15th or around that time.)
Hi, yes, I am going to connect the HDMI cable from PS3 to TV.

Is it then possible to connect HDMI cable from TV to receiver for the lossless audio, having the TV pass through the audio to the receiver?
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Hi, yes, I am going to connect the HDMI cable from PS3 to TV.

Is it then possible to connect HDMI cable from TV to receiver for the lossless audio, having the TV pass through the audio to the receiver?
No, the TV will only pass through Stereo PCM sound. In some rare cases TV's will pass through Dolby Digital Stereo Sound or 5.1 sound, but only on TV channels decoded by the TV's on board tuner. (If you were using an over-the-air antenna for example.)

In order to get lossless sound and 3-D picture you either have to purchase a 3-D capable surround sound receiver (Onkyo, Yamaha, Denon, Pioneer, etc have 3-D capability on 2010 models have it on all the receivers that process HDMI HD audio. Look for a 3D logo on the box.) All cables that are involved will need to pass through 10.2 gbps or higher ("high speed" HDMI) in order to pass the HD audio and 3D video.

The second option (if you like your receiver, and don't want to change it) is to purchase a Panasonic 3D blu-ray player with 2 HDMI outputs, one for 3D video only, the other for HD audio only. HD audio will only pass through using HDMI directly into a receiver.

Therefore, in this case it is best to let the PS3 pass sound through Optical straight to the receiver, and HDMI to the TV until you purchase a different 3D Blu-ray player, or a 3D compatible receiver. Hope this helps!
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I know at the theaters we have real d 3d how many other kinds of 3d are there i thought that real d 3d was like the standard but i guess that isnt true .
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that1guypictures, thank you so much. I will have to use the optical cable from PS3 to TV until I can buy the panasonic blu-ray player then.
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The answer to all questions regarding HDMI 1.4 and HDMI cables can be found at:

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdm...i_1_4_faq.aspx

Specific to the cables:

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdm...ght_cable.aspx

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I didn't read the forum before I purchase the cable for my 3D set..
I was between Panasonic and Sony cable and ended up buying the Pany one.. it's latest model is 1.3a

After reading the post I'm shock.. how can they selling 3D TV and players and selling only 1.3a cables?? jjeeees
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Old 09-05-2010, 10:40 AM   #15
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Well half right for now. Glasses will be universal when mass adoption happens. So I have heard, just flip over the Panny glasses to watch the Sammy and vice versa.

And for your Home Theater if you do not have a PS3, you will have to go all HDMI 1.4 with your gear so you might have to get a new AVReciever...I think
I think that's a bit bloody inconvenient having to turn a pair of Panasonic glasses over. I've heard people complain about how the 3D specs make them look like geeks or nerds. Imagine how much more geekish or nerdish you'd look with a pair of glasses the wrong way round! As far as I'm concerned it'd be far better to go with the complete package the manufacturers are putting out(Sony, Panny as well as Sammy). That way there'd be no incompatibility problems.

By the way, a brilliant site and quite informative. I've only found one thing to fault this far. This is in relation to the release date for one of the IMAX 3Ds: the one about Greece(it's given as February 14 2010 but should actually be February 14 2011).

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There is no such thing as an HDMI 1.4 cable. And new cables are not needed for 3D or any 1.4 features, except for ethernet over HDMI.

HDMI version numbers refer to functions in the transmitting and receiving equipment, not the cables. There are two basic types of cables - standard and high speed. High speed cables support 1080p video. That's the only difference. In the past, cables were marketed with version numbers such as HDMI 1.3a. HDMI.org is now banning that practice.

New HDMI 1.4 functions such as 3D and the Audio Return Channel are supported on current high speed cables. The only function requiring a new cable is ethernet over HDMI.

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This is all explained in considerable detail at hmdi.org.

As for 3D...

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_1_4/3d.aspx

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How to Ensure 3D in your Home Theater System

•Look for devices that include 3D functionality.
•All High Speed HDMI cables will support 3D when connected to 3D devices. You can use your existing High Speed HDMI cables or choose a different cable type
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Will any of the new HDMI 1.4 features require a new cable?
The HDMI Ethernet Channel feature will require a new cable that supports this functionality, either a Standard HDMI Cable with Ethernet or a High Speed HDMI Cable with Ethernet, depending on the maximum resolution to be supported. The Automotive Connection System will also employ a new class of cable, the Standard Automotive HDMI cable, which is designed specifically for automotive use. All of the other new HDMI 1.4 features will be compatible with the existing categories of cables.

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Hi everybody,

This is my first time posting on the boards and I can't start a new thread:

I HATE Monster with every bone in my body but I am currently in a jam. The wife and i have recently purchased a townhouse which hadn't been built yet. I knew in advance that I wanted to mount my tv above the fireplace and the builders would only allow me to do any wiring through a home theater company as any work that I would do during its construction would be ripped out by the fire marshall.

Fine, whatever. So this company offers a rubber tube behind the drywall above the fireplace which runs down and to the right of the fireplace where I can setup my receiver leaving no messy wires.

So I mount my tv- looks good. I go to insert my 25 ft. HDMI cable purchased from monoprice for under 20 bucks and......won't fit. The pipe is extremely small and the home theater company says due to "fire codes" only the thinnest pipe could be used and only this cable: http://www.amazon.com/Monster-MC-1000HD-25-Ultra-High-Speed/dp/B000UF72CO can be used.

My questions are: Does anybody know where I can get this cable cheaper?; Is this cable 1.4 for when I want to upgrade to 3D?(If I'm speding mega-bucks, I'd like to at least know I'd never have to change the cable in the near future); and finally if anybody knows of any EXTREMLY small-tipped 1.4 HDMI cables like this one that do 1.4?


Whew, sorry about the novel but I'm in a jam. Hope you guys can help!
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I got this cable http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2 and it says it supports 3d. I have a 65'' dlp mitsubishi 3d ready, and just got a sony 3d blu ray player. will that cable work? I dont think its 1.4...
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I got this cable http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2 and it says it supports 3d. I have a 65'' dlp mitsubishi 3d ready, and just got a sony 3d blu ray player. will that cable work? I dont think its 1.4...
Yes Sr. If you click on the specs you will find this...Bandwidth: up to 340 Mhz (10.2 Gbps)

10.2 Gbps if considered high speed and will carry 3D no problem. I have been using Monster and Monoprice non high speed with my PS3 and I get the 3D picture just fine, so go figure.
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I got this cable http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2 and it says it supports 3d. I have a 65'' dlp mitsubishi 3d ready, and just got a sony 3d blu ray player. will that cable work? I dont think its 1.4...
Do people NOT read the posts? It's all explained in post 16 right above yours. HDMI versions apply to the equipment, NOT the cable. Any Category 2 cable will be sufficient for ALL HDMI needs.
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