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Old 08-30-2010, 02:19 AM   #21
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I saw this about 16 years ago when I was about 13 years old. I don't really recall anything about it, but I do remember being extremely bored with it. Could this be due to watching it at such a young age? I'd love to buy it because Harvey Keitel is the bomb, just wondering if I'll enjoy it.
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Old 08-30-2010, 02:38 AM   #22
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i havent watched mine yet, hows it look?
Picture quality is pretty good but a little inconsistent. Looks really good at times but gets quite grainy out of nowhere...and once or twice the volume level decreased and got louder a few seconds later.

Considering the films rather low budget, I'm satisfied with it.
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Old 08-30-2010, 03:01 AM   #23
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I saw this about 16 years ago when I was about 13 years old. I don't really recall anything about it, but I do remember being extremely bored with it. Could this be due to watching it at such a young age? I'd love to buy it because Harvey Keitel is the bomb, just wondering if I'll enjoy it.
Hard to say. Judging from your collection, there's a good chance you won't like it. I'd give it a shot though. At $10, even if you hate it you can likely make most of your money back selling it.

It's probably Keitel's finest performance, so if you like the guy, you may end up loving it.
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Old 08-30-2010, 03:13 AM   #24
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I've never seen this. I think I'm going to blind buy it on Friday.
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Old 08-30-2010, 03:16 AM   #25
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Hard to say. Judging from your collection, there's a good chance you won't like it. I'd give it a shot though. At $10, even if you hate it you can likely make most of your money back selling it.

It's probably Keitel's finest performance, so if you like the guy, you may end up loving it.

I like dramas, and I assume this is what Bad Lieutenant would be classified as. And admittedly, I was only 13 when I watched it and a 13 year old's attention span isn't always the greatest. If I recall, I was watching it with a bunch of friends at a sleepover, odds are I wasn't paying the closest attention.
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Old 08-30-2010, 03:33 AM   #26
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I remember watching this, I though it was essentially a pretentious, voyeristic, in your face drama that indulges in a character's suffering, but the problem is that we know this guy is suffering. We know he is an addict, we know that he is desperate for affection, but that is what this film spends it's 90 minutes on; Abel Ferrara is in a fantasy about suffering. That can be engaging when it tries to be something it isn't. I enjoy it as a drama, but it's a crime film pretending (wanting) to be an art film.

The new Bad Lieutenant (which isn't a remake at all); basically Werner Herzog (One of my favorite directors) parodies the character that it portrays, letting us cheer for him when we really shouldn't. It's more of a Comedy about a sociopath than a drama or crime film about a sociopath. Funny that an Art house director, which are criticized for pretentiouness, it does exactly the opposite that Ferrara, who isn't considered an art director, intended. I think art directors (good ones) are the least pretentious of directors .
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The new Bad Lieutenant (which isn't a remake at all); basically Werner Herzog (One of my favorite directors) parodies the character that it portrays, letting us cheer for him when we really shouldn't. It's more of a Comedy about a sociopath than a drama or crime film about a sociopath. Funny that an Art house director, which are criticized for pretentiouness, it does exactly the opposite that Ferrara, who isn't considered an art director, intended. I think art directors (good ones) are the least pretentious of directors .

I just wanted to comment on your post in a friendly way. Agree and disagree (not in a bad way, you'll see what I mean.). Agree that I love Herzog the comedy he put into his film. But I have to say you don't have to be anti-art house to do comedy (dark comedy) in your films. I can name 2 "Arthouse" directors off the top of my head, Luis Bunuel and a lesser known Paul Morrissey. Morrissey made the cheapest of films that had really bad acting, but still considered "arthouse". Dark comedy is a part of the arthouse way.
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I decided to blind buy this film. I have always enjoyed Keitel's work and for $9.99, it was an easy sell. I'm looking forward to checking this out this week.
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I have the DVD...... I can't remember the last time I watched it.... so I'm guessing I should save my money.....
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That scene with him and the two girls in the car was super gross.
Do they actually show this scene on the Blu-ray?
That scene has been removed from pretty much every version of this film.
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Do they actually show this scene on the Blu-ray?
That scene has been removed from pretty much every version of this film.
This is the NC-17 version. He asks the driver of the car to imitate fellatio while he pleasures himself. If that's the one you're thinking of, well, it's here in all it's HD glory.
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I like dramas, and I assume this is what Bad Lieutenant would be classified as. And admittedly, I was only 13 when I watched it and a 13 year old's attention span isn't always the greatest. If I recall, I was watching it with a bunch of friends at a sleepover, odds are I wasn't paying the closest attention.
i can guarantee you'll like it more than when you were 13.

I think too many people expect a straight up crime film, or any of the usual aspects of the genre. Instead, its a very meditative film that questions the ideas explored in many of these films. It's definitely a drama.
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I think too many people expect a straight up crime film, or any of the usual aspects of the genre. Instead, its a very meditative film that questions the ideas explored in many of these films. It's definitely a drama.


It is not a crime film.

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This is the NC-17 version. He asks the driver of the car to imitate fellatio while he pleasures himself. If that's the one you're thinking of, well, it's here in all it's HD glory.
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Do they actually show this scene on the Blu-ray?
That scene has been removed from pretty much every version of this film.
Again, I don't believe this was ever removed from any DVD version, as both have been NC-17. The R-rated version only existed on VHS, so that Blockbuster Video would carry the film in its rental stores in 1993, back when they had a policy against carrying NC-17 or X-rated videos.

The confusion seems to have resurfaced when it was found that the back cover of the 2009 SE DVD stated the film was rated R, when it did in fact contain the same unedited NC-17 version as the original Artisan DVD.

Further confusing the issue, Amazon.com has also collated user reviews from every edition of Bad Lieutenant they have sold, including ones from the cut R-rated VHS tape which mention/complain that the film is cut.
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I just wanted to comment on your post in a friendly way. Agree and disagree (not in a bad way, you'll see what I mean.). Agree that I love Herzog the comedy he put into his film. But I have to say you don't have to be anti-art house to do comedy (dark comedy) in your films. I can name 2 "Arthouse" directors off the top of my head, Luis Bunuel and a lesser known Paul Morrissey. Morrissey made the cheapest of films that had really bad acting, but still considered "arthouse". Dark comedy is a part of the arthouse way.
That is why I enjoy watching arthouse films, and I definately agree. They do not follow stereotypes of typical genres that are put to play, rather they can do whatever they want, and works well as long as it works as a narrative. They can be truly mean spirited, comedic, unconventional or (Un)realistic, and not give a story typical A to B tale. I like watching a film with an open mind . I rather watch a really bad film but see something different than another cheap generic film. Another reason I like Herzog.

I rather not even want to think of a genre of the movie, because if I do, I know what to expect. I have too many films that are "classified" that it is easy to tell what it is by the box, but need to please the "people" .
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The film can be watched on multiple levels. The nun who is victimized and forgives her attackers as well as Keitel's vision of Christ in the church brings Bad Lieutenant to the level of spiritual melodrama. It explores redemption in a way that harkens back to Scorsese's Mean Streets. If you think about who Keitel saves in this movie instead of saving himself, it's actually quite profound. Or you can watch it for the sheer shock value and bravado Harve brings to the screen. Along with Reservoir Dogs, Clockers, The Piano and Smoke, this was a very important film that marked his resurgence in the '90s.

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i can guarantee you'll like it more than when you were 13.

I think too many people expect a straight up crime film, or any of the usual aspects of the genre. Instead, its a very meditative film that questions the ideas explored in many of these films. It's definitely a drama.
That's probably what I was thinking it was supposed to be when I was 13. I did end up buying it. I figure for $9.99, how can you go wrong?
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Yes, Harvey Keitel's package in full HD. Man what a crazy flick.

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Despite the cover, my tests indicate the BD is region-free.
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