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Old 01-25-2011, 09:25 PM   #441
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I agree.



Personally, I think Elgin is there for balance, as the US Soldiers at the end of the film are portrayed in the most despicable light possible (Spivey wiping his ass with Dunbar's drawings, killing the horse, etc.)

Not exactly shining pillars of restraint. I think Elgin is there to keep historians and audiences from howling over the portrayal of the union soldiers (though I have little doubt humans did far worse). Politics, politics, politics, right?
Another way in which DwW and Avatar are similar, pretty much all the soldiers in both movies are bad people or at least painted that way. I guess you could kind of see Elgin as the Michelle Rodriguez of DwW, just a lot less aggressive.
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Old 01-26-2011, 07:51 PM   #442
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Can anyone confirm or tell me about this release about is that any english subtitles on the bonus feature coz i prefer subtitles on it thx
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Old 01-26-2011, 09:38 PM   #443
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I ended up buying the UK version as I don't like the extended.

A good example of how it just doesn't flow is near the beginning when Lt. Dunbar is at Fort Hayes. Major Fambrough's sudden suicide was one of my favourite scenes in the movie. His psychotic behaviour is very subtle and the viewer doesn't know he's so far off the edge until he shoots himself. But in the extended there are added scenes where Fambrough is ranting and raving like a lunatic, which diminishes the effectiveness of his suicide. Then there's the added scenes of the crowd gathering and looking in the window and showing the Major. Again, it just doesn't work like it does in the theatrical, where cutting to the next scene (with Dunbar), after his suicide, is much more dramatic.
I agree 100%.
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Old 01-26-2011, 09:42 PM   #444
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Just got this today and have never seen the extended cut, actually haven't seen the theatrical cut in over ten years either, very excited to watch. I hope it looks and sounds as good as can be.
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Old 01-27-2011, 01:34 AM   #445
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I hope it looks and sounds as good as can be.
I think it does.
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Old 01-27-2011, 04:54 AM   #446
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Wow, did they do this blu ray nice. The PQ and AQ of this film is top-notch without a doubt. The menu is perfect. The film starts up where you left off after restarting the player. Awesome!
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Old 01-27-2011, 02:50 PM   #447
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Directors cuts I would agree with. but extended cuts??? those are usually studio done garbage (like this one) where they add in a ton of crap that was CUT OUT FOR A REASON just to add an "unrated" rating or lure someone in with "oooooooo, it's longer!!!!". Look at the "A-team" movie. the extended cut is AWEFUL. just plain bad in comparison to the theatrical cut. this is especially true for comedies where the flow needs to go just right and any added scene can disrupt the humor (ala Dumb and Dumber)
I disagree and prefer extended/directors cuts 90% of the time. Like I said, if there is an extended/directors cut I will only watch that version of the movie and have no use for the theatrical version. I won't even buy it unless it has both versions or is the extended/directors cut. It is very rare I would say I prefer the theatrical cut than extended/directors cut. That being said, the Original Star Wars Trilogy is one I actually prefer in Original Theatrical form rather than the constant tinkering Lucas does ever few years because he is bored and acts like he is poor.

As for Dances with Wolves, this is a movie I wont even bother watching the theatrical cut on. Unless it is the extended version, I wont buy or watch it.

PS: For the people debating Avatar, I can never watch the entire movie (extended cut) in one setting strangely enough. I get bored and that NEVER happens in a movie for me. I like the message of the movie, but I think it is just a demo for CG in the end. I wont watch 3D, 3D is a worthless gimmick and can cause nausea, headaches, and eye trouble. I wont even bother with it, I have ZERO interest in ANYTHING 3D.

I am still unable to find the new Blu Ray in ANY store for some reason. I find it odd. I will have to get it off Amazon I guess.
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Old 01-28-2011, 05:01 AM   #448
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I disagree and prefer extended/directors cuts 90% of the time. Like I said, if there is an extended/directors cut I will only watch that version of the movie and have no use for the theatrical version. I won't even buy it unless it has both versions or is the extended/directors cut. It is very rare I would say I prefer the theatrical cut than extended/directors cut.
Wow, so if the producer of a movie or studio puts together an extended cut of a film without the involvement of a film's director, you don't have any problem with that? You just go along with whatever cut is the longest?
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Old 01-28-2011, 06:39 PM   #449
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I am having an issue with the Special Features disc.

Some of the features are only appearing in a small portion (top left) of the screen, most notably the Creation of an Epic doc, and the TV spots. The other featurettes take up the whole screen.

Not sure if this is a problem with the disc itself or my blu ray player. It's a Samsung, and the firmware is up to date.

Anyone else encountered this issue? Thinking about exchanging it and seeing if it's just a faulty disc.

Thanks!

I've had exactly the same problem with the Special Features disc. My player is the Panasonic BD50.

If the problem happens with players from two different manufacturers, that suggests to me that it's an encoding error on the disc. Has anyone else had this problem?

Update on January 29th: I've updated the BD50 firmware and this has solved the problem. I've PM'd Kyleoz to let him know that it's potentially solvable via firmware if Samsung can just get on the case.
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Old 01-28-2011, 10:46 PM   #450
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Here's that link again, since you asked.

Excerpt from EW:

"Kevin Costner has done his share of audio commentaries, but he won't be blamed for excesses that might've attended video releases of some of his movies.

''I didn't work on the long version of Dances With Wolves,'' he points out.

He's all for deleted scenes -- as extras, not as grist for protracted ''directors' cuts.''

''I release the versions I want. They are long, so I don't need for 'em to be any longer.''

Finally, a filmmaker who doesn't see the (re-)editing room as open range.

-- Entertainment Weekly
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,578506,00.html
it's weird then that he allowed his name to this note:



I am not saying this disproves your point of course (the last paragraph seems to just want the fans the 'opportunity' to see these scenes), or even Costner's, but there are elements of this note in the 2003 DVD that one can use to support or deny that Costner intended the 4 hour cut originally, or that he was involved with this ABC cut. He sort of looks wishy washy or a liar now considering the interview.

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Old 01-28-2011, 10:51 PM   #451
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it's weird then that he allowed his name to this note:
That note was from the other Kevin Costner.

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At Wal-Mart earlier I saw the 20th anniversary edition of the DVD and it was the theatrical cut. It was only $10.

I bought it and decided to put it in the blu-ray case and make it a 3 disc set, 2 Blu + 1DVD. It ain't perfect, but its the most affordable compromise atm.

Btw, how stupid is that? The 20th anniversary blu-ray is Extended only, and the 20th anniversary dvd is theatrical cut only...
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Old 01-29-2011, 06:31 AM   #453
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it's weird then that he allowed his name to this note:



I am not saying this disproves your point of course (the last paragraph seems to just want the fans the 'opportunity' to see these scenes), or even Costner's, but there are elements of this note in the 2003 DVD that one can use to support or deny that Costner intended the 4 hour cut originally, or that he was involved with this ABC cut. He sort of looks wishy washy or a liar now considering the interview.
Jim Wilson gotta eat.

Seriously, though - It's the exact same note - not "elements" of the note. Its the exact same verbage from the old DVD. Note the language stating the ABC miniseries version does not replace the existing cut...the ABC miniseries version is simply an alternative longer version for people who want to see all those deleted scenes. I think Costner told EW the truth, and with that forward for the DVD that he signed, he protected his version of the film with that "this does not replace" language. At any rate, I'd be surprised if either Wilson or Costner actually wrote that text, as opposed to someone in their respective PR departments. Frankly, I bet Costner himself would be surprised by all the fuss we're making about this.

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My UK cut of this finally arrived so I will be watching it tomorrow after I get up since I'm going to bed soon.
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Old 01-29-2011, 11:32 PM   #455
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Goodfellas is the best movie of 1990. Thank you.
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Dances With Wolves changed the film industry. GoodFellas is a wonderful film, but, as James Cameron himself states, Dances With Wolves shattered the Heaven's Gate rules, and ushered in a renaissance of long-form filmmaking. As much as I admire GoodFellas, and as much as I understand that *today* Dances With Wolves looks safe and conventional compared to Scorsese's tracking shots, zoom whip pans and likable anti-heroes...folks, the true revolution was behind the scenes, and sometimes...strike that...most times, that's where the important battles are won and lost.

The right film won Best Picture in 1990.

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I first saw this film when i was at the "T&A, explosions and fast cars" age, and i couldn't sit through it. Few years later, i watched the Theatrical and loved it. However, it always left me wanting more, no matter how often i watched it. When i first saw the D.C, i was happy, because i loved that cut even more. I understand that a lot of people think it's too long, and there are rather "unnecessary" scenes found in the D.C. However, for me, personally....this film could be 6 hours long and i'd still watch it as often as i do now. The scenery and Sioux Natives alone make this film one of my most favorite, most watched and most beloved titles. I am happy to have owned the Korean version posted below, and it will remain in my display case forever. I have yet to watch the Blu, but with the excellent transfer, and my prefered cut of the film, it can't go wrong.



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Goodfellas is the best movie of 1990. Thank you.
I never liked Goodfellas that much and with all the issues the releases of it have had, I will probably never own it on blu-ray.
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RIP John Barry.

It was in reading about his death and looking at all the scores he did that enticed me to see if Dances was on Blu-ray yet. I'm glad to see it is.
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just nabbed this for $12.99. great price. Im glad i waited!
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