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Old 12-14-2010, 12:26 AM   #1
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Default Has anybody tried playing a 3D Blu-ray on a 'non-3D projector'

I don't really know too much about the new 3D tech. I was curious on the outcome to see if playing a 3D Blu-ray on a 'non-3D projector' would work (with 3D active shutter glasses). I have been contemplating buying the Avatar 3D starter kit. I do not really understand why we need to upgrade to a new display...Isn't 3D just an offset image??? Please excuse the ignorance lol
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Old 12-15-2010, 08:00 PM   #2
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It would play...but it would only be in 2D
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Old 12-15-2010, 08:02 PM   #3
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Not much of an answer but I do know that the refresh rate of the TV or Projector has to be at least 120Hz to cover for the two frames (one for each eye) per each movie frame. I also know that 3d Projectors are very expensive and are just hitting the market now. Assuming you have the 3D capable blu-ray player (or PS3) and glasses, I don't know what would happen if you try playing the 3D movie, even if the TV/PJ is 120Hz? I'd be interested to find out too.
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Old 12-19-2010, 03:35 AM   #4
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my guess is that it would look like a 3D movie without the glasses.
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Old 12-19-2010, 06:20 PM   #5
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Technically a 120HZ projector could display it, but it won't work as your missing some key components not present in the firmware. In essence it could do 60HZ per eye but you run in to several problems. First how does it handle the 3d format encoded to the disc (checkerboard, frame sequential, etc.. as that takes some processing) and so it would not know how to handle that; and two how do you sync a pair of shutter glasses to the refresh rate of the projector for the stereo image or how do you polarize the light for left or right eye with passive polarized glasses? Another hiccup could be the problem that the projector may not be capable of taking 120Hz signal rather it just scales a 60hz signal up to 120 for display internally. I'm not sure what you'd see on screen if you were to send a 2d projector straight 3d signal off of a 3d capable blu-ray player. I'm not sure if you'd get a blank screen, 3d looking image minus the glasses, or a 2d image, you got me.

Now knowing that won't work; I hate to add fuel to the fire as I have questions myself on some ideas.

Here is a product from DepthQ, that you place in front of a projector that works with active shutter glasses. http://www.depthq.com/modulator.html DepthQ states that it is compatible with a certain list of 3d ready projectors so again you may need projector firmware that will handle a frame sequential signal or whatever? As well as a home theater PC to use this product but I found it interesting. Would this be compatible with any projector that can take straight 120hz signal input? Also no pricing shown, maybe a new JVC would be cheaper at this point.

Also, whats to stop someone with a home theater pc that has dual outputs, and a 3d capable graphics card from Nvidia along with 3d blu-ray play back software from going out and purchasing two Optoma HD20s, as well as two polarizers for passive glasses for 3d? I'm sure its doable and tricky aligning them perfectly on a stand but the software is out there now so I believe this would work. Outside of the tricky convergence problem (still doable) you would double your light output (which is excellent for 3d) and you get a very very bright 3d solution for possibly less money than a new JVC. Something like the set up seen here: http://www.more3d.com/3-D/exp_en.html. Now, if someone were to make a 3d processor that had dual outputs left and right that you could just hook up to any 3d blu-ray player and any two 2d projectors, bundle that with a spiffy stand, polarizers and passive glasses like the theater... what a package that would be, man that would rock.
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There are currently 2 ways to experience 3d on your existing home theater projector.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ater,2636.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ctor,2589.html


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Here is a product from DepthQ, that you place in front of a projector that works with active shutter glasses. http://www.depthq.com/modulator.html DepthQ states that it is compatible with a certain list of 3d ready projectors so again you may need projector firmware that will handle a frame sequential signal or whatever?

The product you're linking to is for use with plain old passive polarized glasses not active, and probably costs more than just buying a second projector to handle video for the "other eye".

Also, for the active glasses, all the processing you are talking about is done in software with a driver such as nvidia and cyberlink powerdvd, but as far as I know currently lacks a software layer to translate from a 3d Blu Ray, so is only good for 3d games. For this, your projector need only support a fast enough refresh rate to avoid flicker / eyestrain etc.

For the passive solution, you just need a second identical projector, some polarized pieces of glass or plastic just like the ones in plain old sunglasses, the $2 glasses themselves, a the software (powerdvd and nvidia).
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Has anyone tried an old school 3D blu-ray (the ones that include the red and blue glasses) with a projector? Does it work? Same headaches as watching it on an HDTV?
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Has anyone tried an old school 3D blu-ray (the ones that include the red and blue glasses) with a projector? Does it work? Same headaches as watching it on an HDTV?
Yeah thats anaglyph 3d. Haven't tried this myself, but I have read elsewhere that this should work no problem.
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Yeah thats anaglyph 3d. Haven't tried this myself, but I have read elsewhere that this should work no problem.
I actually tried it with my Coraline original 3D DVD yesterday and yeah it worked, besides all the colors being wacky and inconsistent...
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I actually tried it with my Coraline original 3D DVD yesterday and yeah it worked, besides all the colors being wacky and inconsistent...
Me too. Couldn't stand the crushed bland colors on the 3-D Coraline. It was a cool effect but not worth the sacrifice in PQ IMO.

On a side note I watched Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga' Hoole in RealD 3-D at the theater and in 2-D at home on my projector while the 3-D was pretty cool I thought the 2-D Blu-ray looked quite 3-Dish, it has an amazing picture.
I'm okay with 2-D at home and will be for quite sometime I am sure. If 3-D really takes off and it isn't cost prohibitive when I upgrade my projector I might go 3-D but that will be 4-5 years from now.
Those active shutter glasses are pricey!Especially if you need 3-8 pairs. I need 3 minimum for my family and have had up to 8 people watching a movie at the same time.
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Old 06-21-2011, 04:18 PM   #11
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I never liked 3D movies when they first came out or when I first seen them on Television . I was never impressed by them , I thought they were missing something .I cant buy into the hole 3D thing thats just another way for us the consumer to spend and money and then throw way the unit when something new comes aroung . I for one still like the first dolby digital from the first generation , the same applies for DTS . They do this all the time wanting us to waist are money on new products or discounting the software for the old format . That happens very time a new mouse trap come along . So No I will not own a 3d projector and never will , anyway it hurts my eyes to watch a movie like this in 3d .
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