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Old 04-28-2011, 04:59 PM   #201
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Saying the Islam faith CONTAINS some violent terrorists is fair. It does. But that is not what you said. Your statement implicates all Muslims - the vast majority of which are not violent terrorists any more than you or I are. It is an ignorant statement.
No I didn't. I said no such thing. I said Islamic scripture has passages that support violence. I don't know how or why you interpreted that as me saying all Muslims are terrorists. Thats something I have never said. You have an ability to selectively read peoples posts thats laughable. Hell I even once dated a Muslim girl.
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Old 04-28-2011, 05:11 PM   #202
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OH REALLY. Please educate yourself

Note I am not saying all Muslims are terrorists. However religous violence is far stronger in Islam than it is in other faiths. Comedy Centrals decisions prove that. Other members of "The Super Best Friends" are uncensored and the network did not fear religous violence from any other possibly offended groups. Thats why Comedy Centrals decision is so outragous.

They aren't worried about offending religon otherwise they would have censored the rest of the "Super Best Friends" they are only worried about angering terrorists.
Oh come on, every holy book contains passages such as those. There are terrorists who do things in the name of Christianity too. That doesn't mean they're Christians.
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Old 04-28-2011, 05:33 PM   #203
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No I didn't. I said no such thing. I said Islamic scripture has passages that support violence. I don't know how or why you interpreted that as me saying all Muslims are terrorists. Thats something I have never said. You have an ability to selectively read peoples posts thats laughable. Hell I even once dated a Muslim girl.
I never said you said all Muslims were terrorists. Talk about selective reading...

You pointed to the Islamic scripture as the root of the violence. The Islamic scripture is the core of the religion, so your statements cast the very faith in a negative light - and that negative light has implications for all followers of the religion. I don't mean this in an abstract way either - Muslims in America frequently suffer discrimination as people believe the faith itself is the cause of violence, instead of the conglomeration of various political / ideological / regional issues that actually go into creating a terrorist.

And you dated a Muslim girl once, whoop-di-do. Is that the new version of "Hey, I have lots of black friends!"
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Old 04-28-2011, 05:41 PM   #204
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Oh come on, every holy book contains passages such as those. There are terrorists who do things in the name of Christianity too. That doesn't mean they're Christians.
That is true. Certainly you can find many similar verses in the Old Testiment. The difference is Muslim attacks outnumber attacks of every other religon combined by a wide margin. There is no worldwide terrorist network that uses violent Biblical scriptures to justify terrorism.

On the subject of Comedy Central's censorship specifically (which is the focus of this thread after all) Comedy Central did not fear supposed Christian terrorism when it shows Jesus (who Christians consider to be the Son of God) being addicted to porn. This is highly offensive to Christians and Comedy Central did not lift a finger to censor it. Yet there has been zero violent retaliaztion as a result anywhere in the world. Not one of the worlds 2 billion plus Christians saw this offensive image grounds for violence.

Contrast this with offensive potrays of the Islamic Prophet Muhammed. Some obscure cartoons in a Danish newspaper lead to a riot where people got killed and an episode with Muhammed in a bear costume leads a radical website to issue a death threat against the shows creative team which caused Comedy Central to censor the second part of the episode (something they would not have done had they not believed the threat to be real). This shows a clear distinction when supposed Christian extremism and the very real threat of Islamic extremism and more specifically for this threat how Comedy Central executives choose to deal with the problem.
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Old 04-28-2011, 05:55 PM   #205
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You pointed to the Islamic scripture as the root of the violence. The Islamic scripture is the core of the religion, so your statements cast the very faith in a negative light - and that negative light has implications for all followers of the religion. I don't mean this in an abstract way either - Muslims in America frequently suffer discrimination as people believe the faith itself is the cause of violence, instead of the conglomeration of various political / ideological / regional issues that actually go into creating a terrorist.
What discrimination Muslims in America may face pales in comparison to the discrimination non-Muslims and women suffer in the Islamic world everyday. I suggest researching the doctine of dhimmitude and the various attrocities that are committed daily in its name.

Whats wrong with casting a religon in a negative light? The tenents of all major religons should be researched and examined. That includes both the good and bad aspects. When billions in the world see such things as Gods word it is very much relevent to know a religons negative aspects even if your not of faith yourself.

For example when South Park did there episode explaining the tenents of Scientology and Mormanism I thought they were joking. I was shocked to find out how accurate there version really was.
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Old 04-28-2011, 09:42 PM   #206
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What discrimination Muslims in America may face pales in comparison to the discrimination non-Muslims and women suffer in the Islamic world everyday. I suggest researching the doctine of dhimmitude and the various attrocities that are committed daily in its name.
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Whats wrong with casting a religon in a negative light? The tenents of all major religons should be researched and examined. That includes both the good and bad aspects. When billions in the world see such things as Gods word it is very much relevent to know a religons negative aspects even if your not of faith yourself.
AKA, the most generic answer ever. Your comments are not an intelligent dissection of religion, they are echoes of the various ignorant statements about Islam that the world has been subjected to since the actions of one group of individuals on 9/11. And for a true objective look at the qualitative effects of Islam on its practitioners, one would have to fair-handedly compare to other religions - something you've entirely dismissed. Plenty of acts of extreme violence, many that make 9/11 look miniscule in comparison, have been acted out by members of other religions over the course of history (both ancient, and within the lifetimes of those living now).
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Old 04-28-2011, 10:12 PM   #207
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AKA, the most generic answer ever. Your comments are not an intelligent dissection of religion, they are echoes of the various ignorant statements about Islam that the world has been subjected to since the actions of one group of individuals on 9/11. And for a true objective look at the qualitative effects of Islam on its practitioners, one would have to fair-handedly compare to other religions - something you've entirely dismissed. Plenty of acts of extreme violence, many that make 9/11 look miniscule in comparison, have been acted out by members of other religions over the course of history (both ancient, and within the lifetimes of those living now).
You fail to address my main point at all. This is a thread about the Season 14 of South Park.

Here is my question and Id like a direct answer.

IF ALL RELIGONS ARE EQUAL THAN WHY IS COMEDY CENTRAL APPLYING DIFFERENT STANDARDS TO ISLAMIC FIGURES VERSUS FIGURES OF OTHER FAITHS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Budda in the episode snorted Cocaine and Jesus is showen watching pornography. Comedy Central did not see fit to intervene and censor either of these images which are at least every bit as offensive as the potrayal of Muhammed was.

The answer to the question is obvious. Cause Muslim radicals vastly outnumber radicals of other faiths. Most Muslims are not radical but Muslim radicals are both far more numerous and far more dangerous than supposed radicals of other faiths. Comedy Central though for Political Correctness motives will never admitt this fact have basically acknowledge it through there selective censorship.
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Old 04-28-2011, 11:00 PM   #208
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You fail to address my main point at all. This is a thread about the Season 14 of South Park.

Here is my question and Id like a direct answer.

IF ALL RELIGONS ARE EQUAL THAN WHY IS COMEDY CENTRAL APPLYING DIFFERENT STANDARDS TO ISLAMIC FIGURES VERSUS FIGURES OF OTHER FAITHS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Budda in the episode snorted Cocaine and Jesus is showen watching pornography. Comedy Central did not see fit to intervene and censor either of these images which are at least every bit as offensive as the potrayal of Muhammed was.

The answer to the question is obvious. Cause Muslim radicals vastly outnumber radicals of other faiths. Most Muslims are not radical but Muslim radicals are both far more numerous and far more dangerous than supposed radicals of other faiths. Comedy Central though for Political Correctness motives will never admitt this fact have basically acknowledge it through there selective censorship.
There are so many logical fallacies here, I don't know where to begin.

Comedy Central did not choose to not show Muhammad for general fear of all Muslim practitioners. They made the decision based on the specific fear of violence from a fringe minority of the Muslim faith. All it takes it one person with a believable threat of violence to cause such a situation.

If one Christian - just ONE single individual - made a demonstration that proved he was willing and capable of extreme violence if Jesus was insulted on South Park, people would take that seriously. Only one individual would have changed between the real world we occupy and the hypothetical one I now pose. Would that one individual's change thereby change the entire nature of Christianity? Or would you just think that one guy was an extremist?

That is my point. You explicitly say you are not lumping all Muslims together, but everything else you say implies it. The real fear of a specific group has no bearing on the general status of the exponentially larger group. At this specific moment, in this specific context, there is more fear associated with individual groups within the Islamic faith than individual groups within the Christian faith. But those individual groups do not reflect on the whole, and the current distribution of such groups is not a long-term phenomenon - especially in the face of the extreme long-term nature of both faiths. If you were to focus on the 1940s, there would be many more Christians or Buddhists to fear.

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Old 04-29-2011, 02:25 AM   #209
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There are so many logical fallacies here, I don't know where to begin.

Comedy Central did not choose to not show Muhammad for general fear of all Muslim practitioners. They made the decision based on the specific fear of violence from a fringe minority of the Muslim faith. All it takes it one person with a believable threat of violence to cause such a situation.

If one Christian - just ONE single individual - made a demonstration that proved he was willing and capable of extreme violence if Jesus was insulted on South Park, people would take that seriously. Only one individual would have changed between the real world we occupy and the hypothetical one I now pose. Would that one individual's change thereby change the entire nature of Christianity? Or would you just think that one guy was an extremist?

That is my point. You explicitly say you are not lumping all Muslims together, but everything else you say implies it. The real fear of a specific group has no bearing on the general status of the exponentially larger group. At this specific moment, in this specific context, there is more fear associated with individual groups within the Islamic faith than individual groups within the Christian faith. But those individual groups do not reflect on the whole, and the current distribution of such groups is not a long-term phenomenon - especially in the face of the extreme long-term nature of both faiths. If you were to focus on the 1940s, there would be many more Christians or Buddhists to fear.
If just one Christian demonstated violently he would be arrested in any Christian country. Islamic radicals by contrast are so numerous that its almost impossible to arrest all of them.

Also Islamic terrorism didn't start with 9/11 or even the Iran hostage crisis. Islamic terrorism is as old as the faith itself. The Muslims who fought the Crusades had similar beliefs and motives of the terrorists of today. Ask a zoroastrianist his opinion. I doubt you can because Zoroastrianism was wiped from existance by Islamic surpression and Islam has sought to do the same thing to every other faith. Had it not been for strong resistance such as the Crusades Islam would today dominate the Earth

Im getting alittle off topic but there has never been any point in the last 1400 years where Buddists or Christians. Most of the reason Islam has been little threat to the west for most of American history is because they were weakened to far to attack the west. Oil changed that. Oil gave the Islamic world political power over the entire west and thus made them powerful. With the new power came the return of Jihad warfare.
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If just one Christian demonstated violently he would be arrested in any Christian country. Islamic radicals by contrast are so numerous that its almost impossible to arrest all of them.
That's not true by any stretch. They're a minority EVERYWHERE, even in countries which are officially Islamic. They are extremists. Like Christians who would advocate violence against doctors who perform abortions, they are the most extreme of their group, and a minority at that. Even Islamic nations that sympathize with the goals of Muslim terrorists would not actively condone such behavior among their own country. Notice that the country of Afghanistan is themselves fighting the Taliban alongside the United States. And just because a nation is officially Islamic doesn't mean that they agree with the extreme views of the most extreme members of its culture (if they did, the US would have laws in place which would make it legal to kill any doctor who performed an abortion... uh... wait...).

Incidentally: a person is never "Islamic". A person is Muslim. If you're going to be talking about these things, perhaps you should ensure that you're at least somewhat learned on the subject. Your commentary on the Crusades is also highly inaccurate and I'm honestly offended that you're painting the European invaders as heroes in that case.

You really have a terrible and incorrect view of Muslims in general though, man. They're not all terrorists. Most are not. Even in the Middle East, most are not violent extremists. They're a minority. An extreme minority. There are extremes in any group though. Even ones over here.

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This question has been answered many times over. They wanted to avoid offending people. This is routine behavior for Comedy Central to censor in an effort to avoid offending certain people. But more than this, they wanted to do their best to avoid a situation like the 2005 cartoons featuring Muhammad had inspired, a problem which lead to the deaths of over 100 people. They also did it in an effort to keep Trey Parker and Matt Stone from receiving threats of retribution for their art, something which had been identified as a possible outcome by a group of Muslims on an Internet message board (actually, they compared the situation to a previous case wherein a filmmaker had actually been publicly murdered).

Honestly, I'm pretty sure that we're in agreement that it would have been nice to see the episode uncensored here on home video, but Comedy Central (and Viacom by extension) was not unjustified in their action. As is often the case when it comes to ethics, it's not a clear-cut issue, and there is moral reasoning on either side. One side is overly cautious and gives in to the whim of extremists by giving credence to potential, theoretical threats of violence that might've come about, and the other side risks indirectly causing the deaths of creative staff (notably Parker and Stone themselves), as well as possibly many more innocents.

ps this thread is a little ridiculous. It seems to have devolved into this Jimmy Smith individual spewing insane rhetoric and talking in circles just as an excuse to parade about his disgusting beliefs about the nature of Islam. Isn't this sort of thing frowned upon 'round these parts?
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Wow.. we are talking about the Blu ray here and it turns to a Religion discussion... Personnally i'am getting the set, i don't really care if that specific episode is censured because i knew why. Extremist do take their word with them so CC was precautious..
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If just one Christian demonstated violently he would be arrested in any Christian country. Islamic radicals by contrast are so numerous that its almost impossible to arrest all of them.

Also Islamic terrorism didn't start with 9/11 or even the Iran hostage crisis. Islamic terrorism is as old as the faith itself. The Muslims who fought the Crusades had similar beliefs and motives of the terrorists of today. Ask a zoroastrianist his opinion. I doubt you can because Zoroastrianism was wiped from existance by Islamic surpression and Islam has sought to do the same thing to every other faith. Had it not been for strong resistance such as the Crusades Islam would today dominate the Earth

Im getting alittle off topic but there has never been any point in the last 1400 years where Buddists or Christians. Most of the reason Islam has been little threat to the west for most of American history is because they were weakened to far to attack the west. Oil changed that. Oil gave the Islamic world political power over the entire west and thus made them powerful. With the new power came the return of Jihad warfare.
You have just made a post justifying the Crusades. It's very apparent you hold prejudices against the entirety of the Muslim faith. I think this conversation is over.
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How was the new episode? Have not had a chance to watch it yet.
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How was the new episode? Have not had a chance to watch it yet.
Not too good, I wasn't impressed. Had its funny moments but I think the Creme Fraiche episode that aired before it was WAY more funny
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You really have a terrible and incorrect view of Muslims in general though, man. They're not all terrorists. Most are not. Even in the Middle East, most are not violent extremists. They're a minority. An extreme minority. There are extremes in any group though. Even ones over here.

This question has been answered many times over. They wanted to avoid offending people. This is routine behavior for Comedy Central to censor in an effort to avoid offending certain people. But more than this, they wanted to do their best to avoid a situation like the?
I NEVER SAID ALL MUSLIMS WERE TERRORISTS

Extremist Muslims are minority but they are a more signifigant minority than they are in other faiths.

For example you site attacks on abortion clincs done by Christians since Roe v Wade only 8 abortion doctors have been shot. Compare that to the almost daily Muslim terrorist attacks that go on in the world that have killed thousands this decade.

Also you've never answered my question even once. Cause the only answer the the question falls outside of Politically Correct standards. Why didn't Comedy Central censor Jesus watching porn and Budda snorting crack? Why did the worlds Buddists and Christians not react violently to such images? The answer is extremely obvious to anyone not so blinded by Politcal Correctness to see
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How was the new episode? Have not had a chance to watch it yet.
Was alright but hardly South Park at its finest. I haven't seen the Human Centipede (just the premise made me want to lose my lunch) so I probably don't get all its jokes but I found it a mediocre episode at best.
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Was alright but hardly South Park at its finest. I haven't seen the Human Centipede (just the premise made me want to lose my lunch) so I probably don't get all its jokes but I found it a mediocre episode at best.
Same here... the Cartman stuff I found really funny (are you gonna kiss me mom?)

but the other stuff was meh
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Was alright but hardly South Park at its finest. I haven't seen the Human Centipede (just the premise made me want to lose my lunch) so I probably don't get all its jokes but I found it a mediocre episode at best.
The Blu-ray for The Human Centipede can be found for like, $7.99 - $11.99 most places. hahaa- The sequel is already in the works. The film has a huge cult following.
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The Blu-ray for The Human Centipede can be found for like, $7.99 - $11.99 most places. hahaa- The sequel is already in the works. The film has a huge cult following.
I personally can't stand torture porn movies so I have no desire to watch The Human Centipede. Id rather keep my lunch in my stomach
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I NEVER SAID ALL MUSLIMS WERE TERRORISTS

Extremist Muslims are minority but they are a more signifigant minority than they are in other faiths.

For example you site attacks on abortion clincs done by Christians since Roe v Wade only 8 abortion doctors have been shot. Compare that to the almost daily Muslim terrorist attacks that go on in the world that have killed thousands this decade.

Also you've never answered my question even once. Cause the only answer the the question falls outside of Politically Correct standards. Why didn't Comedy Central censor Jesus watching porn and Budda snorting crack? Why did the worlds Buddists and Christians not react violently to such images? The answer is extremely obvious to anyone not so blinded by Politcal Correctness to see
I did answer your silly question, as have others. You selectively ignore answers that you can't make an easy comeback to.

Also, you made a post justifying the Crusades. Case closed.
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