HDMI 1.3 reciever and 3d projector

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by crackinhedz

you obviously do not read...your receiver can pass a 3d signal...not every format. That is not what I have been saying. Please re-read all my posts.

The argument some of you guys are making is that an hdmi 1.3 receiver will not pass a 3d signal...which it will.

Your issue involves the PS3 and how the game is output.

I read everything u wrote, but saying 'not every format' is being quite vague, just because u don't want to contradict yourself. Besides most people want to watch 3d blu-rays in 1080p through their 1.3 receivers not 720p, so then what u have said and suggested about 1.3 receivers being able to pass through a 3d signal kind of becomes irrelevant, because that's not what people are wanting.

[crackinhedz]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

I read everything u wrote, but saying 'not every format' is being quite vague, just because u don't want to contradict yourself. Besides most people want to watch 3d blu-rays in 1080p through their 1.3 receivers not 720p, so then what u have said and suggested about 1.3 receivers being able to pass through a 3d signal kind of becomes irrelevant, because that's not what people are wanting.

Oh my gawd

Let's see, the original poster asked about 3d through his 1.3 receiver, which I kindly explained it will not allow a dual 1080p stream. But that his receiver can still output 3d, just not the kind required from a 1.4 hdmi chip.

Then you pop in talking about your "game" does not work through your 1.3 receiver...which would be related to the fact your receiver will not pass a dual 1080p stream!

Which part of this conversation is still not registering?

[crackinhedz]

Originally Posted by crackinhedz

The problem Cpus might have is the HDMI v1.3 chip inside the Marantz will not output 3849x1080p resolution (dual 1080p stream) found on a 3D Bluray...so you will have problems trying to watch a 3D Bluray through the 1.3 receiver...

Without getting into specifics about other 3D formats being used, you can most certainly pass a 3D signal through a HDMI 1.3 receiver...just not a 3D Bluray ISO.

This is from my original reply, which part was I contradicting myself?

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by crackinhedz

Oh my gawd

Let's see, the original poster asked about 3d through his 1.3 receiver, which I kindly explained it will not allow a dual 1080p stream. But that his receiver can still output 3d, just not the kind required from a 1.4 hdmi chip.

Then you pop in talking about your "game" does not work through your 1.3 receiver...which would be related to the fact your receiver will not pass a dual 1080p stream!

Which part of this conversation is still not registering?

Originally Posted by crackinhedz

This is from my original reply, which part was I contradicting myself?

It's not uncommon for a thread to branch off from the original question as long as it has some relevance. Someone else brought up the ps3, and that's what I was referring to in my original post, it's up to u to follow what is being discussed in the thread. Yes, the comment I directed at u didn't specifically say ps3, but in the same post I also responded to someone who was talking about the ps3, which indicates that is what I was talking about. I never said u contradicted yourself, I said u were vague in some of your answers because u didn't want to end up contradicting yourself.

[crackinhedz]

Without beating a horse to death

Your 1.3 receiver can pass a 3d signal...no not every 3d signal...but nonetheless a 3d signal.

If you would like to pass a dual 1080p stream bluray 3d signal then you need a 1.4 receiver. Or like yourself and others have mentioned, run the player directly to the tv and use optical for audio.

This discussion has worn me out.

[basserx]

OP:Maybe look into something like Panasonic's new BDT310 player that outputs 1.3 and 1.4, that is the route I've taken versus purchasing a new 1.4 receiver.

[gekke henkie]

@crackinhedz:
Most of your quotes are irrelevant to the OP, since he is talking about 'Blu-ray player options', and you keep repeating that some other 3D-formats (like SBS or OU) could work. However, since the OP is talking about Blu-ray and about 3D, almost every Blu-ray 3D disc is frame-packaged full HD (top-bottom), and your Blu-ray 3D player will NOT change that format into Side-by-side (half-res), or whatever. Okay, SBS might work with an older receiver, but that's besides the point. The point is, if he puts a Blu-ray 3D movie in his PS3, there is no way (AFAIK) that his receiver will pass the 3D signal.

Therefore, like somebody else suggested, run a high-speed HDMI-cable directly to the 3D-display or projector, and a toslink digital cable to the receiver, would be his cheapest option for (Blu-ray) 3D, I think.

[crackinhedz]

Originally Posted by gekke henkie

@crackinhedz:
Most of your quotes are irrelevant to the OP, since he is talking about 'Blu-ray player options', and you keep repeating that some other 3D-formats (like SBS or OU) could work.

actually if you read closely, the OP states PS3 or Htpc options...not necessarily strictly bluray playback...but thanks for playing.

And I was not trying to imply his only option is to buy a new 1.4 receiver.

He still has options! His 1.3 receiver can pass a half sbs 3d signal, so he does not need to run out and buy a new receiver. Yes a new receiver would make life easier, but not mandatory.

How many of you guys are really going to try to argue logic?

[crackinhedz]

Originally Posted by gekke henkie

The point is, if he puts a Blu-ray 3D movie in his PS3, there is no way (AFAIK) that his receiver will pass the 3D signal.

You don't say??? Really!

....sounds like what I already said.

Originally Posted by crackinhedz

The problem Cpus might have is the HDMI v1.3 chip inside the Marantz will not output 3849x1080p resolution (dual 1080p stream) found on a 3D Bluray...so you will have problems trying to watch a 3D Bluray through the 1.3 receiver...

Without getting into specifics about other 3D formats being used, you can most certainly pass a 3D signal through a HDMI 1.3 receiver...just not a 3D Bluray ISO.

[crackinhedz]

Why do you guys not understand the points being made?

3d can be passed through a 1.3 device.

Not all 3d formats.

But yes, 3d can still be output.



Hdmi v1.4 is not mandatory for ALL 3d formats.

Why is that so hard to comprehend?

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by crackinhedz

Why do you guys not understand the points being made?

3d can be passed through a 1.3 device.

Not all 3d formats.

But yes, 3d can still be output.



Hdmi v1.4 is not mandatory for ALL 3d formats.

Why is that so hard to comprehend?

U need to respect people a bit more, look at how u just replied to the guy above, stop acting like you're above everyone and know it all all the time. I know u have a lot of knowledge because I see u posting around here regularly, helping out and giving advice where u can, and I'm sure people appreciate it, but sometimes the advice u provide makes u seem ignorant in the way u reply to people and can sound like u are calling them stupid without calling them stupid.

[crackinhedz]

Originally Posted by Cpus456

I don't want to replace my Receiver

This is the overall objective.

No need to debate fact...a 1.3 receiver can pass a 3d signal.

A 1.4 receiver is needed to pass a bluray disc...or you can connect bluray player directly to the tv and use optical cable for audio...as ALREADY MENTIONED! (or dual Hdmi output player)





I think more education is needed on the various 3d formats. Not all are 1.4 dependent. And not all are bluray specific.

[crackinhedz]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

sometimes u reply to people in a way that sounds like u are calling them stupid without calling them stupid.

my goal is not to make people feel stupid, rather to avoid the myths/misconception.

I tried to explain that a 3d signal can be passed via 1.3 receiver, but you argued that it did not work for your situation. Which is understandable, because the 3d format is confusing and does not always work in each scenario. This is due to device capability and format being implemented.

You say I am acting like you guys are stupid, yet you guys are the ones stating I don't want to contradict myself or my statements are irrelevant.
I just state what I know...as I said, correct me if I'm wrong....but you guys are not correcting me...you are just repeating misinformation and implying what I'm saying is wrong without actually basing it on fact or example.

[crackinhedz]

Can an hdmi v1.3 receiver pass a 3d signal?

Yes it can.

[ronjones]

Originally Posted by crackinhedz

hdmi 1.3 receivers can easily pass a half resolution side by side or top bottom format...so yes they will pass a 3D signal.

I do not know much about the DirecTV 3d format specification, but if the Directv box has a 1.4 chip then obviously your statement would be true.

But I can assure you a v1.3 receiver will pass a half resolution sbs/tb 3d picture...there is no need for the 1.4 EDID.

These 3D tv's have an option to identify what 3d format type is being received by the TV. Does not require 1.4 EDID

The problem is the Directv and cable TV boxes only have HDMI 1.3 chips and the manufacturers have used firmware updates to add certain minimal pseudo-HDMI 1.4 features. Many HDMI 1.3 equipped AVRs do prevent the proper passing of the EDID header (in ver. 1.4 format since that's the only one that includies 3D related info) in the HDMI handshake, that among other things provides the source device, eg. Directv DVR, with an indication of the 3D modes supported by the display. Some sources will refuse to output 3D unless it receives this info indicating the display is compatible. Some AVRs have a pass-thru mode that may work with some of these HDMI 1.3 equipped 3D sources, but many will not. Thus the real problem is some sources will refuse to output 3D and in that case there is nothing the 3DTV can do. This is well documented for many users of Directv.

[crackinhedz]

No argument there, Ron.

[Cpus456]

WOW!!! What have i Done!!! :P

Thanks guys for all you input.. think that safest bet for now is going directly to the proj an bypass the Marantz for my PC.. maybe later on ill upgrade my receiver and get the optoma XL3d

This is what ive got so far.. yet to test tho

I just picked up the

ASUS H5360 #D Ready Projo - $650 CDN
2 x Nvidia 3D kit @ $100 Each
1 X Htpc with a bluray drive @ $0 - already have it

Ill run a monoprice splitter (2 in 1 out) to the ASUS H5360

- "HDMI 1 IN" will be from my Marantz (so all my PS3, wii, cable etc) can get the extra large treatment aswell
- "HDMI 2 IN" will be from my PC running Nvidia 3d

Sound will be handled with a optical cable from the pc to the Marantz

See any issues? other that that lack of HD sound?

[Bishop.Brown]

Originally Posted by Cpus456

So will the PS3 shrink the signal to a lower res?

I think most of you guys got off track. It doesn't matter if the PS3 will "shrink the signal to a lower res" or if the receiver is 1.3, 1.4, 3D ready or not --- the 720p projector is the bottleneck. No matter what you do, you won't get any better than 720p with said projector. All 1080p 3D Blu-Rays will be down converted to 720p using that Acer 5360 or Optoma HD66/67 projectors.

I have the Optoma GT720 running through my HTPC. The 720p 3D looks fantastic on my 150" screen. I also have a Sony S570 and a Sony DH-710 3D-Ready receiver, however, the Sony BD player is not connected to this projector at this time [it's connected to the receiver and the receiver's HDMI output is connected to my other projector, a 1080p Epson 8100]. I got the GT720 because it's short throw [in case I wanted to buy that Kinect, I wanted to be behind my projector as it's table mounted] and it's connected via HDMI to the HTPC [GTX460] and the 3D via Nvidia 3D Vision. I'm currently using a TOSLINK from the HTPC to the Sony receiver for sound. I don't miss having "TrueHD" sound the receiver has a setting for simulated 7.1 and it sounds perfect enough to me. By the way, the "new" NV1 3D Glasses are now out and work perfectly with the Nvidia 3D Vision (and DLP Link mode via your projector). See my comments here: Click

Regarding your comment about the 3D-XL, I ordered the Avermedia HDTV DVR capture card and it should arrive by next week. I'll test this with my Xbox and the Sony S570. I've read and confirmed that this capture card will work with the Avermedia 3D software that is available for download [it's used on the Avermedia 3D HD DVR card that is only available in Australia and New Zealand - model 727]. This software has it's own Media Center and stereoscopic player to receive/play 3D signals (DirecTV, Cables, PS3, Xbox360, etc.) And HDCP shouldn't be an issue as long as I don't try to record the stream --- thus this card will act like a 3D-XL or VIP Gamer/Theatre but at a fraction of the cost. [side note - the VIP Theatre is supposed to work with ANY signal - not just 120hz, but 60hz as well. I know this sounds hard to believe but this device is $499 - price may drop but no less than $399 i gather from the prices currently, especially if it doesn't come with glasses. I paid $81 for the Avermedia card on Ebay.]

[Cpus456]

Originally Posted by Bishop.Brown

Regarding your comment about the 3D-XL, I ordered the Avermedia HDTV DVR capture card and it should arrive by next week. I'll test this with my Xbox and the Sony S570. I've read and confirmed that this capture card will work with the Avermedia 3D software that is available for download [it's used on the Avermedia 3D HD DVR card that is only available in Australia and New Zealand - model 727]. This software has it's own Media Center and stereoscopic player to receive/play 3D signals (DirecTV, Cables, PS3, Xbox360, etc.) And HDCP shouldn't be an issue as long as I don't try to record the stream --- thus this card will act like a 3D-XL or VIP Gamer/Theatre but at a fraction of the cost. [side note - the VIP Theatre is supposed to work with ANY signal - not just 120hz, but 60hz as well. I know this sounds hard to believe but this device is $499 - price may drop but no less than $399 i gather from the prices currently, especially if it doesn't come with glasses. I paid $81 for the Avermedia card on Ebay.]

Very Cool.. good to know i can throw a card in and get the added functionality,, does it work with the ps 3 aswell

thanks for the NV1 tip aswell !!

[robetclo2516]

I have heard that there is HDMI Splitter Box that will let the Blu-ray signal to a receiver and a TV at the same time. This will be a valuable solution for those who have a Player with only 1 HDMI outpout. I Need to test this though but I will buy a 3DTV no sooner than july so I am not in a hurry.