"BLOW OUT" excessive GRAIN!!! - Blu-ray Forum

thebluemax · 05-04-2011, 08:00 PM

I think Criterion's "Blow Out" is almost unwatchable. The GRAIN is so excessive in the dark scenes that I found it difficult to watch.

Any comments here?

AKORIS · 05-04-2011, 08:01 PM

haven't got my copy yet but I remember this being a very grainy film, it was the way it was shot by the director.....

Arkadin · 05-04-2011, 08:04 PM

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Any comments here?

none that you probably want to hear.

Strevlac · 05-04-2011, 08:07 PM

It looks like what it's supposed to look like minus a few vertical emulsion scratches. This film was shot by Vilmos Zsigmond who was definitely not afraid of film grain.

kpkelley · 05-04-2011, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Strevlac

It looks like what it's supposed to look like minus a few vertical emulsion scratches. This film was shot by Vilmos Zsigmond who was definitely not afraid of film grain.

Looks good to me.

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J6P · 05-04-2011, 08:09 PM

Based on this and your Omega Man review you probably just need to educate yourself a bit more on the function of grain in film, the gritty nature of American cinema of the '70s and '80s, and especially the paramount importance of presenting these films in precisely the condition they premiered in, grain and all.

Strevlac · 05-04-2011, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by J6P

Based on this and your Omega Man review you probably just need to educate yourself a bit more on the function of grain in film, the gritty nature of American cinema of the '70s and '80s, and especially the paramount importance of presenting these films in precisely the condition they premiered in, grain and all.

Agreed. I couldn't believe how good Omega Man it looked. I doubt it even looked that good in it's initial run.

bboisvert · 05-04-2011, 08:13 PM

I disagree with your ASSERTIONS!!!

Jayderek · 05-04-2011, 08:15 PM

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none that you probably want to hear.

haha! +1 on this for me.

Educate yourself OP....please

thebluemax · 05-04-2011, 08:15 PM

Yeah, did anyone else see severe horizonal grain lines in the dark scenes. I can't believe the original film looked like this? I do hate grain but this is excessive. Is it my player?

Strevlac · 05-04-2011, 08:18 PM

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Yeah, did anyone else see severe horizonal grain lines in the dark scenes. I can't believe the original film looked like this?

Horizontal grain lines? Boy oh boy....

Those are emulsion scratches from a piece of dirt trapped in the gate while the film was being run. These are extremely difficult to fix digitally. But, I have seen much worse.

kpkelley · 05-04-2011, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by thebluemax

Yeah, did anyone else see severe horizonal grain lines in the dark scenes. Is it my player?

There is ample grain in the film, but you shouldn't be seeing "lines" of grain. Try playing around with your sharpness settings for your tv and player. Generally speaking they should both be set at zero(or whatever the minimum is, i.e. -15, etc.) for your blu-ray input.

Adrock · 05-04-2011, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kpkelley

There is ample grain in the film, but you shouldn't be seeing "lines" of grain. Try playing around with your sharpness settings for your tv and player. Generally speaking they should both be set at zero(or whatever the minimum is, i.e. -15, etc.) for your blu-ray input.

+1. It sounds like you may benefit from having your TV calibrated, or possibly if you cannot afford it, try the DIY calibration disc to assist.

Walts Ghost · 05-04-2011, 08:22 PM

I thought the movie looked great. Grain didn't bother me at all. I'll take the grain and the way the film is supposed to look over excessive DNR any day of the week.

Strevlac · 05-04-2011, 08:22 PM

Guys, calibrating is not going to make scratches go way unless he turns his brightness to 0.

pro-bassoonist · 05-04-2011, 08:23 PM

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Any comments here?

It looks fantastic. The grain is definitely not excessive.

Pro-B

giannirenna · 05-04-2011, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Walts Ghost

I thought the movie looked great. Grain didn't bother me at all. I'll take the grain and the way the film is supposed to look over excessive DNR any day of the week.

Same here. I mean you notice it, but that was how it was shot and intended to look.

Adrock · 05-04-2011, 08:24 PM

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Guys, calibrating is not going to make scratches go way unless he turns his brightness to 0.

Correct.

However if his sharpness setting is over boosted, it may make the film appear 'grainier'.

kpkelley · 05-04-2011, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Strevlac

Guys, calibrating is not going to make scratches go way unless he turns his brightness to 0.

Understood, but high sharpness can accentuate such anomalies in addition to creating additional ones.

Rizor · 05-04-2011, 08:45 PM

No problems here. Looked fine when I saw it last week. It's grainy, but i didn't feel it was excessive or even very grainy.

05-04-2011, 08:00 PM	#1
thebluemax Expert Member Member since:Mar 2007 Blu-ray reviews:1	"BLOW OUT" excessive GRAIN!!! I think Criterion's "Blow Out" is almost unwatchable. The GRAIN is so excessive in the dark scenes that I found it difficult to watch. Any comments here?

05-04-2011, 08:09 PM	#6
J6P Expert Member Member since:Aug 2007 Home Theater Gallery:117 Blu-ray collection:270	Based on this and your Omega Man review you probably just need to educate yourself a bit more on the function of grain in film, the gritty nature of American cinema of the '70s and '80s, and especially the paramount importance of presenting these films in precisely the condition they premiered in, grain and all. "Rupert Pupkin. P-U-P-K-I-N. It's often misspelled and mispronounced."

05-04-2011, 08:15 PM	#10
thebluemax Expert Member Member since:Mar 2007 Blu-ray reviews:1	Yeah, did anyone else see severe horizonal grain lines in the dark scenes. I can't believe the original film looked like this? I do hate grain but this is excessive. Is it my player? Last edited by thebluemax; 05-04-2011 at 08:18 PM. Reason: add

05-04-2011, 08:22 PM	#14
Walts Ghost Blu-ray Duke Member since:Jun 2010 Location:Orange County, CA Blu-ray collection:1462 DVD collection:220 Blu-ray reviews: 32 Trading Score:1	I thought the movie looked great. Grain didn't bother me at all. I'll take the grain and the way the film is supposed to look over excessive DNR any day of the week. "Movies can and do have tremendous influence in shaping young lives in the realm of entertainment towards the ideals and objectives of normal adulthood." Walt Disney Follow me: Twitter: @pj_campbell/Instagram: pj_campbell/Podcast: Reel Film Chatter The Man Behind the Ghost - The Walt's Ghost Thread

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05-04-2011, 08:01 PM	#2
AKORIS Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jul 2008 Location:Beautiful Pacific Northwest Blu-ray collection:1807 DVD collection:320 Blu-ray reviews:18	haven't got my copy yet but I remember this being a very grainy film, it was the way it was shot by the director.....

05-04-2011, 08:07 PM	#4
Strevlac Special Member Member since:Dec 2010 Blu-ray collection:447 DVD collection:199 Blu-ray reviews:5	It looks like what it's supposed to look like minus a few vertical emulsion scratches. This film was shot by Vilmos Zsigmond who was definitely not afraid of film grain.

05-04-2011, 08:13 PM	#8
bboisvert Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2009 Blu-ray collection:1367 DVD collection:10 Trading Score:3	I disagree with your ASSERTIONS!!!

05-04-2011, 08:45 PM	#20
Rizor Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Jun 2008 Location:NJ, USA Blu-ray collection:1471 DVD collection:151 Blu-ray reviews: 32 Trading Score:108	No problems here. Looked fine when I saw it last week. It's grainy, but i didn't feel it was excessive or even very grainy.