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Old 05-04-2011, 07:00 PM   #1
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I think Criterion's "Blow Out" is almost unwatchable. The GRAIN is so excessive in the dark scenes that I found it difficult to watch.

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haven't got my copy yet but I remember this being a very grainy film, it was the way it was shot by the director.....
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It looks like what it's supposed to look like minus a few vertical emulsion scratches. This film was shot by Vilmos Zsigmond who was definitely not afraid of film grain.
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It looks like what it's supposed to look like minus a few vertical emulsion scratches. This film was shot by Vilmos Zsigmond who was definitely not afraid of film grain.


Looks good to me.



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Based on this and your Omega Man review you probably just need to educate yourself a bit more on the function of grain in film, the gritty nature of American cinema of the '70s and '80s, and especially the paramount importance of presenting these films in precisely the condition they premiered in, grain and all.
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Based on this and your Omega Man review you probably just need to educate yourself a bit more on the function of grain in film, the gritty nature of American cinema of the '70s and '80s, and especially the paramount importance of presenting these films in precisely the condition they premiered in, grain and all.

Agreed. I couldn't believe how good Omega Man it looked. I doubt it even looked that good in it's initial run.
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I disagree with your ASSERTIONS!!!
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haha! +1 on this for me.

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Yeah, did anyone else see severe horizonal grain lines in the dark scenes. I can't believe the original film looked like this? I do hate grain but this is excessive. Is it my player?

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Yeah, did anyone else see severe horizonal grain lines in the dark scenes. I can't believe the original film looked like this?
Horizontal grain lines? Boy oh boy....

Those are emulsion scratches from a piece of dirt trapped in the gate while the film was being run. These are extremely difficult to fix digitally. But, I have seen much worse.
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Yeah, did anyone else see severe horizonal grain lines in the dark scenes. Is it my player?
There is ample grain in the film, but you shouldn't be seeing "lines" of grain. Try playing around with your sharpness settings for your tv and player. Generally speaking they should both be set at zero(or whatever the minimum is, i.e. -15, etc.) for your blu-ray input.
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There is ample grain in the film, but you shouldn't be seeing "lines" of grain. Try playing around with your sharpness settings for your tv and player. Generally speaking they should both be set at zero(or whatever the minimum is, i.e. -15, etc.) for your blu-ray input.
+1. It sounds like you may benefit from having your TV calibrated, or possibly if you cannot afford it, try the DIY calibration disc to assist.
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I thought the movie looked great. Grain didn't bother me at all. I'll take the grain and the way the film is supposed to look over excessive DNR any day of the week.
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Guys, calibrating is not going to make scratches go way unless he turns his brightness to 0.
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It looks fantastic. The grain is definitely not excessive.

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I thought the movie looked great. Grain didn't bother me at all. I'll take the grain and the way the film is supposed to look over excessive DNR any day of the week.
Same here. I mean you notice it, but that was how it was shot and intended to look.
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Guys, calibrating is not going to make scratches go way unless he turns his brightness to 0.
Correct.

However if his sharpness setting is over boosted, it may make the film appear 'grainier'.
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Guys, calibrating is not going to make scratches go way unless he turns his brightness to 0.
Understood, but high sharpness can accentuate such anomalies in addition to creating additional ones.
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No problems here. Looked fine when I saw it last week. It's grainy, but i didn't feel it was excessive or even very grainy.
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