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Old 01-21-2012, 03:01 AM   #2301
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Perhaps that Space Snowflake will get a makeover after all?
What are you referring to?
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Old 01-21-2012, 03:04 AM   #2302
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That exact shot of the Enterprise is probably MIA... So since they had to CGI the shot anyway, they opted to redo the Bird of Prey as well since the ST3 shot didn't look too good...

I don't think anything is being CGI'd unless it's absolutely necessary...
With both ships CGI, they could match the directional lighting perfectly, rather than fake it.
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Old 01-21-2012, 03:06 AM   #2303
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What are you referring to?
the crystalline entity

I mostly come out at night...mostly.
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Old 01-21-2012, 03:10 AM   #2304
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the crystalline entity

Is the "rainbow effect" intentional or just horrid video quality?

Also I wonder what scale model they used in the now CGI shot, I noticed that the "yellow paint" on the underside of the nacelle is different than it was on the model plus it looks to have more windows.
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Old 01-21-2012, 03:30 AM   #2305
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Also I wonder what scale model they used in the now CGI shot, I noticed that the "yellow paint" on the underside of the nacelle is different than it was on the model plus it looks to have more windows.
Tobias Richter says he based it on the 6-foot ILM miniature:


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Old 01-21-2012, 03:37 AM   #2306
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I've seen that render before, very nice...but that "yellow paint/logo" I keep bringing up is red on that render. Which is it supposed to be? Yellow or red?
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Old 01-21-2012, 03:44 AM   #2307
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I've seen that render before, very nice...but that "yellow paint/logo" I keep bringing up is red on that render. Which is it supposed to be? Yellow or red?
Not sure what you're referring to. This yellow paint?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_IYihBiTh-c..._model-052.jpg
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Old 01-21-2012, 03:52 AM   #2308
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Not sure what you're referring to. This yellow paint?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_IYihBiTh-c..._model-052.jpg
No, the segmented-square shape on the bottom on the nacelle. It looks yellow in the screenshots but is red on the render the one user linked to.
Also the shape is different on the CGI ship.
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Old 01-21-2012, 04:05 AM   #2309
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This also looks like it may be a CG redo:



Original (notice different windows are lit--there would be no reason to redo the "lighting pass" of the original model shot):



I wonder how many shots had to get redone in the computer?
I mostly come out at night...mostly.
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Old 01-21-2012, 04:10 AM   #2310
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No, the segmented-square shape on the bottom on the nacelle. It looks yellow in the screenshots but is red on the render the one user linked to.
Also the shape is different on the CGI ship.
I must be blind. I'm not seeing a difference between his ortho renders, his animation and the Blu-ray screenshots. Either color or shape. Not saying you're wrong, I just don't see it.

EDIT: Wait. Are you talking about the lifeboats? The texture maps could easily have been altered for use on the show. I think he based it on how they looked in Generations. That's not really a big deal.

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Old 01-21-2012, 04:12 AM   #2311
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I must be blind. I'm not seeing a difference between his ortho renders, his animation and the Blu-ray screenshots. Either color or shape. Not saying you're wrong, I just don't see it.
Neither do I, although it is clear now that the Sins shot with the bird of prey is a complete CG redo as you pointed out. You can tell mainly because many of the windows are off. It's not something I'm going to notice while enjoying these episodes, but is is interesting to make note of.
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Old 01-21-2012, 04:29 AM   #2312
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This also looks like it may be a CG redo: (notice different windows are lit--there would be no reason to redo the "lighting pass" of the original model shot):
Oh, yeah... definitely CG

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I wonder how many shots had to get redone in the computer?
I think it's just those two opening shots of "Sins" and "Inner Light".
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Old 01-21-2012, 04:35 AM   #2313
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I think it's just those two opening shots of "Sins" and "Inner Light".
Well, we will know pretty soon either way. It seems pretty clear that the BR.com shots of the Enterprise with the probe and the stardrive orbiting the Bandi world are originals. I imagine they would want to preserve as much of that as possible.

I'm sure when we get season 1 we will get some docs showing what decisions were made at certain points and why.
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Old 01-21-2012, 04:39 AM   #2314
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Oh, yeah... definitely CG
Man, and that is night and day. Look at how blurry and jagged the low res shot is compared to the high res one, models or not.
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Old 01-21-2012, 04:41 AM   #2315
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The improved quality one some of these shots is just brilliant.
Seriously. I think it's the most impressive transformation to HD I have ever seen. I wonder if the team will win some awards for it.
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Old 01-21-2012, 05:14 AM   #2316
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Seriously. I think it's the most impressive transformation to HD I have ever seen. I wonder if the team will win some awards for it.
Bill Hunt at the Digital Bits liked the upgrade even more than the review here.
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Old 01-21-2012, 05:26 AM   #2317
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Oh, yeah... definitely CG
What i like most is the small detail of the reflection glow off the right side of the ship made by the necel light
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Wow the more i see on this release, the more psyched for it i get. Some of the cleanups on both the live action and cgi/model shots are really breathtaking. Out of curiosity will this have branching available to see both versions of the FX like trek OS does?
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Wow the more i see on this release, the more psyched for it i get. Some of the cleanups on both the live action and cgi/model shots are really breathtaking. Out of curiosity will this have branching available to see both versions of the FX like trek OS does?
Unlike TOS where although the original effects work looked average when scanned in HD resolution, TNG simply doesn't exist with those effects at that resolution. To do that they'd have to upscale all the effects, clean them up like the 13 seconds of Sins of the Father and then do seamless branching. Honestly sounds like a lot of effort. Unlike TOS the TNG effects work including recompositing and CGI is supposed to remain faithful so really there's not a lot to gain by doing it. It'd only take more time and money and considering the majority of the "new" effects are simply the old ones recomposited they'd be doing it just to have crappy versions of the same shot.

I wouldn't say I'm a hardcore purist (though I do like original versions where possible) but even this isn't too appealing to me.
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The original looks like it was sourced from shot from Star Trek III. Maybe the TNG shot was all done on video, instead of film.
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