Krrish Blu-ray out today !

[bollywood karim]

Rancho there is something wrong with your set up, the movie is not pink and plastic like the screenshots on my Diamond Mistubishi, the color palette is like "Don" very natural very good flesh tones, excellent color duplication, nothing like your screenshots, i was stunned the movie is so good given its age, i have watched it two times, just for the picture quality, one of my favorite all time blu rays from bollywood. And this is an older movie, '



Good job T series, excellent job in quality and picure is steller, audio is mind blowing.

[anibap]

Originally Posted by Rancho

+ 1

I watched the Blu Ray, and it is horrible..

Originally Posted by Tecnogamer

Honestly I just finished watching it on my BRAVIA through the PS3 system and I'd say that the sound was purely awesome 10/10 the PQ was quite different then the screens I saw earlier and the PQ 9/10....

Originally Posted by bollywood karim

I got my movie yesterday from mumbai shipped to US, and let me tell you this is one of the most stunning blu rays, despite its age. I watched all the songs first and the color tones are bang on not like the pink in the screentones, very natural colors and truly astounding color palette, especially " dil diya" the circus song where hrithik dances amazingly. This is truly one amazing blu ray, it has very natural colors and is extremely sharp and colors and flesh tones are very nicely done.
PIcture 9.5/10 better than even Bachna e Haseeno

Wow, first some terrible screenshots of the BD , followed by 3 people who actually saw the BD with one member giving it a horrible rating, one member thinks it as decent and one member thinks it is a stunning BD for PQ.

Even retailer Bollyretail thinks it as a let-down (other site)

Originally Posted by BollyRetails

This BD is a letdown from T-Series stable.
We were expecting better, since it's not a very old movie.

Now, that is quite a wide range in terms of acceptance or liking.....The question is how is the BD against the standards of reference and not personal preference.

[raSpberRy]

Today I watched 'Krrish' Blu-ray,by my Optoma HD20 projector.
What I've seen the picture quality is between not good and not bad.
But I can't say "That is so so"

Sorry about my vague-vision.

[DaemonAngel]

This is one of the worst BDs ever!!! For the most part it looked like a poorly upscaled version - bad color tones, clay faces, lack of detail - yuck!

In some ways, I feel DVD was better!

If this were a Hollywood BD, I would have demanded a refund!

[bollywood karim]

Me and Technogamer gave it 9plus in terms of video quality. The songs are simply stunning, what clay faces, the color tones are bang on, i will try and take some pictures with my camera, since i don't have screen capture technology, it really is a stellar blu ray, especially flesh tones throughoust most of the movie.

I like the detail and flesh tones and colors, very nicely done blu ray.

Technogamer agreed.

[anibap]

Got my review copy yesterday. I am going to see this over the weekend. Getting very curious after reading some conflicting feedback here.

My copy is on its way from India so even if I don't like it there is noting doing since this BD is my wife's priority and if you are passionate about AV, keeping the wife happy is more important than anything else

[anibap]

Watched Krrish BD. Will post review shortly...

[sanjay0864]

@anibap
You have mentioned 'review copy' in several recent threads, could you please elaborate.

[ans]

Hello All,

It's good that so many people are posting their reviews, screenshots etc. But it gets a bit confusing when people have so contradictory opinion about quality of a given Blu-ray.

I guess a review is only meaningful if everyone knows what system it has been reviewed on. Also there can be so many things that can go wrong in taking the screenshots - colour calibration of your display/laptop, image conversion (if any), software settings used for screen shots and compression algorithm. If you are pointing out issues with AQ and PQ, tell us a little about your setup first.

I know that Indian BD are inferior quality but these contradictory opinions mean either the manufacturers are dispatching different batches mastered from different sources (a bit unlikely as Krrish was just released) OR reviewers need to check their own setup before posting comments about the quality.

Cheers, Anshul

[DaemonAngel]

Originally Posted by ans

Hello All,

I know that Indian BD are inferior quality but these contradictory opinions mean either the manufacturers are dispatching different batches mastered from different sources (a bit unlikely as Krrish was just released) OR reviewers need to check their own setup before posting comments about the quality.

All Valid points but each review in the end is that person's assessment or opinion on the product he or she watched. I could watch in your perfectly calibrated home theater or a neutral location and still have a completely opposite view/assessment to yours. You should only use the comments/reviews as a guideline - no different from movie reviews on IMDB or anywhere else.

If you hang around long enough and watch some of the same Blus others do, you will soon see whose views you most agree with.

[Tecnogamer]

Originally Posted by bollywood karim

Me and Technogamer gave it 9plus in terms of video quality. The songs are simply stunning, what clay faces, the color tones are bang on, i will try and take some pictures with my camera, since i don't have screen capture technology, it really is a stellar blu ray, especially flesh tones throughoust most of the movie.

I like the detail and flesh tones and colors, very nicely done blu ray.

Technogamer agreed.

I agree again and again, I guess it's only us 2 who has the right copy LOL... but seriously this BD was wonderful and looked stunning on my TV Via PS3!

[chandna]

Originally Posted by ans

I know that Indian BD are inferior quality
Cheers, Anshul

NO. Indian Blurays are not bad in quality. Compare BDs of District 9, Source Code,CRANK, The Expandables, HurtLocker and lots of other Hollywood titles encoded and authored in India with their counterpart Hollywood release and prove that Indian BD are inferior to Hollywood BD in terms of PQ or AQ.

[anibap]

Originally Posted by sanjay0864

@anibap
You have mentioned 'review copy' in several recent threads, could you please elaborate.

Hey Sanjay, by 'review copy' I meant nothing fancy or special copies for bollywood BDs. I don't buy all Indian / Hollywood BDs without seeing the quality of the BD. I rent Hollywood BDs from Lovefilm and loan Bollywood BDs from a friend who buys every Indian BD.

I just call such copies as review copies. I only buy BDs that I want to own and know there is a repeat value and have good PQ/AQ.

Originally Posted by ans

I guess a review is only meaningful if everyone knows what system it has been reviewed on. Also there can be so many things that can go wrong in taking the screenshots - colour calibration of your display/laptop, image conversion (if any), software settings used for screen shots and compression algorithm. If you are pointing out issues with AQ and PQ, tell us a little about your setup first.

Originally Posted by DaemonAngel

All Valid points but each review in the end is that person's assessment or opinion on the product he or she watched. I could watch in your perfectly calibrated home theater or a neutral location and still have a completely opposite view/assessment to yours. You should only use the comments/reviews as a guideline - no different from movie reviews on IMDB or anywhere else.

+1 but there is one more important thing that comes first. What to expect from a BD in terms of PQ and AQ to judge against references and not preferences. . Understanding and appreciating reference with calibrated settings can rule out most of the ambiguity w.r.t quality of BD. I see that the Indian forum is too biased to preferences and not references and to top that slow release of BDs is not helping. An analogy could be - easy to satisfy a hungry crowd I guess.

[anibap]

Watched Krissh on Friday and here is my review of the BD. But before going into the review just want to ask whether there are two versions of the BD. You may ask why … After reading divided opinion in the forum and finally seeing the BD myself on my projector I am not sure why there is such a variance in user feedback.

I watched the T-series version that is imported to UK and I am not aware of any other version that might have released in the overseas market. My review is based on the T-Series version just to avoid any confusion if there is another version.

Movie:
Decent flick, a good family entertainer that has its usual mix required for a commercial success. Many are not aware of the fact that Krissh was the first movie where commercial brands were showcased in the movie which was like a first and a new way of product marketing and a alternate model of financing of movies in India.

Equipment used: Please see my signature and gallery for more info. I use a calibrated display.

Picture Quality:
Good points.

• The strongest point of the picture is saturation especially green. Scenes with green appear very saturated and since our eyes are sensitive to green the picture jumps at you and creates a satisfying effect. But we are talking about a BD PQ and not how foliage looks on screen.
• Some scenes have good resolution and detail but the number is few. And this where the good things end.
• Few night time scenes looked much better than most daytime scenes.

Bad points:
Honestly speaking I am disappointed with the PQ. I would rate it between below average and bad. The BD has the following annoying issues that shows up in most of the frames

• Biggest problem – Posterization and banding. Effect is mild to severe and although not to the level of distinct colour or shade separation, it is consistent throughout the picture and affects skin tones, skies, areas between bright and dark objects. Less visible in night scenes but daylight scenes are just awful in many cases. Just to give an example – watch the horse when Hritthik jumps over by stepping on the horse. Just look at the body of the horse and you see the ill effect of posterization and contrast boost.
• Dominance of green / magenta –Skin tones, snow, skies and many other objects suffer from this.
• Skin tones – Apart from some odd instances, most of the time the skin tones are just not well rendered because of posterization. Priyanka, her friend and anyone having a paler screen is affected the most.
• DNR – The movie is DNRed and in some instances it appears pretty bad.Clay faces and loss of detail is quite common.Due to this, the overall iage is not very sharp.
• Contrast and Brightness – The transfer has more than required brightness and luminance making it appear like a badly processed HDTV version of the film. Contrast boost affects several scenes and shimmer or hotspot is so common that it hurts. I normally reduce contrast to get rid of the problem in bollywood BDs but with this one reducing contrast makes the image flatter due to higher brightness. Some scenes also have strange hallow with a different colour for the same object (like sky) on one side of the screen. Picture suffers from false contouring as well.
• Traces of Edge enhancement were also present in few scenes

Audio Quality:
The BD has a roaring DTS HD track and is some consolation for the terrible image quality. The soundtrack is quite loud and songs use most of the speaker bandwidth. Listening wise it creates an engaging experience and most will enjoy the track. However I would score it low for two reasons

• The loudness – Just like many other Bollywood BDs, this one is also loud and hence speakers will be stressed at reference levels. I know most people here like loud tracks but one of the biggest downside of a loud track is that it cannot breathe with space and air when turned towards reference level. HD audio is all about finesse and dynamic range and loud tracks cannot achieve that – it is physics and not a preference. Loudness should be achieved by turning the volume up and not to be encoded by default. There is a reason why HD audio has a wide range up tp and beyond reference level. Hopefully someday bollywood would understand that.
• Refinement: I would loved the track to have a slightly better treble. Don’t get me wrong the track sound nice but songs could have used a bit treble to refine the finer notes.

Summary:
I have no idea why this BD has so much difference in viewer feedback. I will be hard-pressed to think that T-Series has released different batches. To sum up the picture quality, The BD looks mediocre with many issues if you know what to look for and come out of your biasness on the movie. To me, it looked like a badly mastered HDTV version and not worth of a Blu ray. It has few moments of good PQ but majority of scenes are lower than average quality. Disappointed big time nd it seems this BD was authored using an inferior source. Given the money Rakesh Roshan has raked in with this movie, they should have remastered a new digital source for the BD.

Audio wise, better than PQ if that is any consolation. An engaging and powerful HD track will please most people but I felt a bit more headroom on treble would have made it a better track. The standard bollywood BD loudness is a feature I am not sure how to rate since it has become a standard now.

Rating:
Movie: 3.5
PQ: 2.75
AQ: 3.00 (with loudness) and 3.75 (not considering loudness as an issue rather a bollywood trait)

What next? Thought of reviewing Darr and Hum Tum this weekend. Watched glimpses of both and Darr seems to have a better transfer in terms of both PQ and AQ between the two. Won't be able review them since I am going to Turkey tomorrow for 2 weeks and hence returned the BDs today. Will see if I get time on my return.

Cheers

Ani

[DaemonAngel]

Thanks anibap for confirming my eyes/observations and setup are not so far away from yours in such great detail

[Rancho]

Originally Posted by anibap

I have no idea why this BD has so much difference in viewer feedback. I will be hard-pressed to think that T-Series has released different batches. To sum up the picture quality, The BD looks mediocre with many issues if you know what to look for and come out of your biasness on the movie. To me, it looked like a badly mastered HDTV version and not worth of a Blu ray. It has few moments of good PQ but majority of scenes are lower than average quality. Disappointed big time nd it seems this BD was authored using an inferior source. Given the money Rakesh Roshan has raked in with this movie, they should have remastered a new digital source for the BD

Ani

Thanks for the detailed review. As per proper info, no different batches have been released. Same copies are available throughout.

Don't know why this BD looked "stunning" or "good" to few others.

I was personally, disappointed with this release from T-Series.

Waiting for your reviews for Hum Tum and Darr..

[divyansh]

Originally Posted by anibap

Watched Krissh on Friday and here is my review of the BD. But before going into the review just want to ask whether there are two versions of the BD. You may ask why … After reading divided opinion in the forum and finally seeing the BD myself on my projector I am not sure why there is such a variance in user feedback.

I watched the T-series version that is imported to UK and I am not aware of any other version that might have released in the overseas market. My review is based on the T-Series version just to avoid any confusion if there is another version.

Movie:
Decent flick, a good family entertainer that has its usual mix required for a commercial success. Many are not aware of the fact that Krissh was the first movie where commercial brands were showcased in the movie which was like a first and a new way of product marketing and a alternate model of financing of movies in India.

Equipment used: Please see my signature and gallery for more info. I use a calibrated display.

Picture Quality:
Good points.

• The strongest point of the picture is saturation especially green. Scenes with green appear very saturated and since our eyes are sensitive to green the picture jumps at you and creates a satisfying effect. But we are talking about a BD PQ and not how foliage looks on screen.
• Some scenes have good resolution and detail but the number is few. And this where the good things end.
• Few night time scenes looked much better than most daytime scenes.

Bad points:
Honestly speaking I am disappointed with the PQ. I would rate it between below average and bad. The BD has the following annoying issues that shows up in most of the frames

• Biggest problem – Posterization and banding. Effect is mild to severe and although not to the level of distinct colour or shade separation, it is consistent throughout the picture and affects skin tones, skies, areas between bright and dark objects. Less visible in night scenes but daylight scenes are just awful in many cases. Just to give an example – watch the horse when Hritthik jumps over by stepping on the horse. Just look at the body of the horse and you see the ill effect of posterization and contrast boost.
• Dominance of green / magenta –Skin tones, snow, skies and many other objects suffer from this.
• Skin tones – Apart from some odd instances, most of the time the skin tones are just not well rendered because of posterization. Priyanka, her friend and anyone having a paler screen is affected the most.
• DNR – The movie is DNRed and in some instances it appears pretty bad.Clay faces and loss of detail is quite common.Due to this, the overall iage is not very sharp.
• Contrast and Brightness – The transfer has more than required brightness and luminance making it appear like a badly processed HDTV version of the film. Contrast boost affects several scenes and shimmer or hotspot is so common that it hurts. I normally reduce contrast to get rid of the problem in bollywood BDs but with this one reducing contrast makes the image flatter due to higher brightness. Some scenes also have strange hallow with a different colour for the same object (like sky) on one side of the screen. Picture suffers from false contouring as well.
• Traces of Edge enhancement were also present in few scenes

Audio Quality:
The BD has a roaring DTS HD track and is some consolation for the terrible image quality. The soundtrack is quite loud and songs use most of the speaker bandwidth. Listening wise it creates an engaging experience and most will enjoy the track. However I would score it low for two reasons

• The loudness – Just like many other Bollywood BDs, this one is also loud and hence speakers will be stressed at reference levels. I know most people here like loud tracks but one of the biggest downside of a loud track is that it cannot breathe with space and air when turned towards reference level. HD audio is all about finesse and dynamic range and loud tracks cannot achieve that – it is physics and not a preference. Loudness should be achieved by turning the volume up and not to be encoded by default. There is a reason why HD audio has a wide range up tp and beyond reference level. Hopefully someday bollywood would understand that.
• Refinement: I would loved the track to have a slightly better treble. Don’t get me wrong the track sound nice but songs could have used a bit treble to refine the finer notes.

Summary:
I have no idea why this BD has so much difference in viewer feedback. I will be hard-pressed to think that T-Series has released different batches. To sum up the picture quality, The BD looks mediocre with many issues if you know what to look for and come out of your biasness on the movie. To me, it looked like a badly mastered HDTV version and not worth of a Blu ray. It has few moments of good PQ but majority of scenes are lower than average quality. Disappointed big time nd it seems this BD was authored using an inferior source. Given the money Rakesh Roshan has raked in with this movie, they should have remastered a new digital source for the BD.

Audio wise, better than PQ if that is any consolation. An engaging and powerful HD track will please most people but I felt a bit more headroom on treble would have made it a better track. The standard bollywood BD loudness is a feature I am not sure how to rate since it has become a standard now.

Rating:
Movie: 3.5
PQ: 2.75
AQ: 3.00 (with loudness) and 3.75 (not considering loudness as an issue rather a bollywood trait)

What next? Thought of reviewing Darr and Hum Tum this weekend. Watched glimpses of both and Darr seems to have a better transfer in terms of both PQ and AQ between the two. Won't be able review them since I am going to Turkey tomorrow for 2 weeks and hence returned the BDs today. Will see if I get time on my return.

Cheers

Ani

thanks for such an unbiased and detailed review... i really don't have the patience to write such long... anyways i got and watched hum tum yesterday and i'm also going to post my verdict on the same.

[anibap]

Originally Posted by DaemonAngel

Thanks anibap for confirming my eyes/observations and setup are not so far away from yours in such great detail

Originally Posted by Rancho

Thanks for the detailed review.

Thanks for your feedback.

Originally Posted by divyansh

thanks for such an unbiased and detailed review... i really don't have the patience to write such long... anyways i got and watched hum tum yesterday and i'm also going to post my verdict on the same.

@divyansh, I want to keep it short but when I start writing, I can't avoid sharing some of the detail I notice or hear.

I guess no one likes reading long posts so I will just post ratings and a few lines for PQ and AQ for the next ones...

[divyansh]

Originally Posted by anibap

@divyansh, I want to keep it short but when I start writing, I can't avoid sharing some of the detail I notice or hear.

I guess no one likes reading long posts so I will just post ratings and a few lines for PQ and AQ for the next ones...

no its not that... i appreciate the detail with which you write your reviews.... even i thought of writting 2-3 lines for hum tum but ended up in writting much more

[mrbrat_Boy]

Originally Posted by anibap

Watched Krissh on Friday and here is my review of the BD. But before going into the review just want to ask whether there are two versions of the BD. You may ask why … After reading divided opinion in the forum and finally seeing the BD myself on my projector I am not sure why there is such a variance in user feedback.

I watched the T-series version that is imported to UK and I am not aware of any other version that might have released in the overseas market. My review is based on the T-Series version just to avoid any confusion if there is another version.

Movie:
Decent flick, a good family entertainer that has its usual mix required for a commercial success. Many are not aware of the fact that Krissh was the first movie where commercial brands were showcased in the movie which was like a first and a new way of product marketing and a alternate model of financing of movies in India.

Equipment used: Please see my signature and gallery for more info. I use a calibrated display.

Picture Quality:
Good points.

• The strongest point of the picture is saturation especially green. Scenes with green appear very saturated and since our eyes are sensitive to green the picture jumps at you and creates a satisfying effect. But we are talking about a BD PQ and not how foliage looks on screen.
• Some scenes have good resolution and detail but the number is few. And this where the good things end.
• Few night time scenes looked much better than most daytime scenes.

Bad points:
Honestly speaking I am disappointed with the PQ. I would rate it between below average and bad. The BD has the following annoying issues that shows up in most of the frames

• Biggest problem – Posterization and banding. Effect is mild to severe and although not to the level of distinct colour or shade separation, it is consistent throughout the picture and affects skin tones, skies, areas between bright and dark objects. Less visible in night scenes but daylight scenes are just awful in many cases. Just to give an example – watch the horse when Hritthik jumps over by stepping on the horse. Just look at the body of the horse and you see the ill effect of posterization and contrast boost.
• Dominance of green / magenta –Skin tones, snow, skies and many other objects suffer from this.
• Skin tones – Apart from some odd instances, most of the time the skin tones are just not well rendered because of posterization. Priyanka, her friend and anyone having a paler screen is affected the most.
• DNR – The movie is DNRed and in some instances it appears pretty bad.Clay faces and loss of detail is quite common.Due to this, the overall iage is not very sharp.
• Contrast and Brightness – The transfer has more than required brightness and luminance making it appear like a badly processed HDTV version of the film. Contrast boost affects several scenes and shimmer or hotspot is so common that it hurts. I normally reduce contrast to get rid of the problem in bollywood BDs but with this one reducing contrast makes the image flatter due to higher brightness. Some scenes also have strange hallow with a different colour for the same object (like sky) on one side of the screen. Picture suffers from false contouring as well.
• Traces of Edge enhancement were also present in few scenes

Audio Quality:
The BD has a roaring DTS HD track and is some consolation for the terrible image quality. The soundtrack is quite loud and songs use most of the speaker bandwidth. Listening wise it creates an engaging experience and most will enjoy the track. However I would score it low for two reasons

• The loudness – Just like many other Bollywood BDs, this one is also loud and hence speakers will be stressed at reference levels. I know most people here like loud tracks but one of the biggest downside of a loud track is that it cannot breathe with space and air when turned towards reference level. HD audio is all about finesse and dynamic range and loud tracks cannot achieve that – it is physics and not a preference. Loudness should be achieved by turning the volume up and not to be encoded by default. There is a reason why HD audio has a wide range up tp and beyond reference level. Hopefully someday bollywood would understand that.
• Refinement: I would loved the track to have a slightly better treble. Don’t get me wrong the track sound nice but songs could have used a bit treble to refine the finer notes.

Summary:
I have no idea why this BD has so much difference in viewer feedback. I will be hard-pressed to think that T-Series has released different batches. To sum up the picture quality, The BD looks mediocre with many issues if you know what to look for and come out of your biasness on the movie. To me, it looked like a badly mastered HDTV version and not worth of a Blu ray. It has few moments of good PQ but majority of scenes are lower than average quality. Disappointed big time nd it seems this BD was authored using an inferior source. Given the money Rakesh Roshan has raked in with this movie, they should have remastered a new digital source for the BD.

Audio wise, better than PQ if that is any consolation. An engaging and powerful HD track will please most people but I felt a bit more headroom on treble would have made it a better track. The standard bollywood BD loudness is a feature I am not sure how to rate since it has become a standard now.

Rating:
Movie: 3.5
PQ: 2.75
AQ: 3.00 (with loudness) and 3.75 (not considering loudness as an issue rather a bollywood trait)

What next? Thought of reviewing Darr and Hum Tum this weekend. Watched glimpses of both and Darr seems to have a better transfer in terms of both PQ and AQ between the two. Won't be able review them since I am going to Turkey tomorrow for 2 weeks and hence returned the BDs today. Will see if I get time on my return.

Cheers

Ani

Thanks again Anibap. Very insightful and awesome review!

With regards to the two batches of disc, let me be very frank about something i have picked up especially here on the forums. People have their favourite stars, dvd companies etc. By 'quality' some people would just be looking out for their favourites and by that merit have high regard for the quality of a disc or even a movie. I guess its subjective, but that is what i have seen.