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Narrative brought down for reference of charts below
Comparison of The-Numbers Blu-ray Top 10 List vs Nielsen Videoscan first alert (units) Here is a comparison of the variance between the The-Numbers data and the Home Media Magazine reported Nielsen Videoscan first alert Top 20 Sellers chart and Blu-ray Top 20 chart data. Its concentrating on the unit estimates not the estimated revenues. The unit estimates from The-Numbers seems to be extremely consistent with the Nielsen Videoscan first alert report. Data is from August and September 2011 as August 7 seems to be the start of the Walmart sales data in the Nielsen Videoscan first alert report. The comparison points are the calculated Blu-ray marketshare and index numbers based on the The-Numbers Blu-ray Top 10 and the DVD Top 30 charts and the reported Nielsen Videoscan figures. For every week except 09/18/11 the two databases are extremely close within 1% or less for the calculated Blu-ray vs DVD marketshare and the Blu-ray index numbers and the total title Top 20 Sellers index numbers with some random tiny variations. Which is consistent with both data base and estimates being accurate at least in terms of units for both DVD and Blu-ray. The only exception is for the last week of Sep 18 where it seems that for some reason The-Numbers switched to using exactly the same Blu-ray index numbers as the Nielsen Videoscan first alert report as they match exactly and the calculated Blu-ray marketshare numbers for The-Numbers were significantly lower than the Nielsen Videoscan report. Its like their estimate for the leading Blu-ray title Thor was actually low compared to the DVD figures and depressed their estimates for Blu-ray units for the week. It almost looks like they may have decided in that last week that the Nielsen Videoscan first alert index numbers being a census of point of sale transactions now including Walmart is the best way to go forward fro the index numbers for Blu-ray units. Or maybe their were some additional special considerations for that week. But since they have been doing DVD weekly estimates since 2006 and their new Blu-ray estimates are very consistent with the DVD data at least in terms with the calculated marketshare and Top 20 Sellers and Blu-ray Top 10 lists it provides some evidence that The-Numbers data is scaled accurately and consistent with the Nielsen Videoscan first alert report which has the same Monday through Sunday reporting period at least in terms of units sold. The estimated revenues per title of course is still a different story but we can further look at that based on the units reported and the revenue estimates. Plus we have the issue of the comparison with the slightly different HMM revenue report that uses the preceding Sunday in the data in their Sun-Sat revenue reporting period vs The-Numbers and Nielsen's Mon-Sun week. But it seems the The-Numbers reported unit sales are very very consistent with the weekly Nielsen Videoscan first alert report ever since the Nielsen Videoscan data started including Walmart in August 2011. TN BD = The-Numbers Blu-ray units TN DVD = The-Numbers DVD units TN BD+DVD = The-Numbers Blu-ray and DVD units NV BD% = reported Nielsen Videoscan Blu-ray unit marketshare TN BD% = calculated The-Numbers Blu-ray unit marketshare delta = =variation between the two NV BD% - TN BD% NV BD = reported Nielsen Videoscan Blu-ray index number off Blu-ray Top 20 chart TN BD = calculated The-Number Blu-ray index number based off leading Blu-ray title delta = =variation between the two NV BD - TN BD NV OD = reported Nielsen Videoscan index number off Top 20 Sellers chart DVD+BD TN OD = calculated The-Number index number based off leading DVD + Blu-ray title delta = =variation between the two NV OD - TN OD Again this last week seems to use exactly the Nielsen Videoscan Blu-ray index numbers and the Blu-ray marketshare and Blu-ray units seem to be estimated low probably because they look to be calculated off a low estimate of Blu-ray units for the leading Blu-ray title of Thor. Star Wars seems to be estimated high and perhaps the low estimates there were a result of not wanting the Star Wars units to be even higher and be too controversial. It will be interesting to see the next week data for the week ending 9/25/11 from The-Numbers to see if any adjustment is made.
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Comparison of The-Numbers Blu-ray Top 10 List vs Nielsen Videoscan first alert (units)
Here is a comparison of the variance between the The-Numbers data and the Home Media Magazine reported Nielsen Videoscan first alert Top 20 Sellers chart and Blu-ray Top 20 chart data. Its concentrating on the unit estimates not the estimated revenues. The unit estimates from The-Numbers seems to be extremely consistent with the Nielsen Videoscan first alert report. Data is from May 1 through September 2011 and is the complete set of the Top 10 Blu-ray lists from The-Numbers since they started publishing the Blu-ray unit and revenue information. . August 7 seems to be the start of the Walmart sales data in the Nielsen Videoscan first alert report. The comparison points are the calculated Blu-ray marketshare and index numbers based on the The-Numbers Blu-ray Top 10 and the DVD Top 30 charts and the reported Nielsen Videoscan figures. TN BD = The-Numbers Blu-ray units TN DVD = The-Numbers DVD units TN BD+DVD = The-Numbers Blu-ray and DVD units NV BD% = reported Nielsen Videoscan Blu-ray unit marketshare TN BD% = calculated The-Numbers Blu-ray unit marketshare delta = =variation between the two NV BD% - TN BD% NV BD = reported Nielsen Videoscan Blu-ray index number off Blu-ray Top 20 chart TN BD = calculated The-Number Blu-ray index number based off leading Blu-ray title delta = =variation between the two NV BD - TN BD NV OD = reported Nielsen Videoscan index number off Top 20 Sellers chart DVD+BD TN OD = calculated The-Number index number based off leading DVD + Blu-ray title delta = =variation between the two NV OD - TN OD ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Here is a comparison of the difference in the reported Blu-ray index numbers for each title for each week from the Home Media Magazine Nielsen Videoscan first alert Top 20 Blu-ray Disc chart and the calculated Blu-ray index numbers using the published data off The-Numbers Blu-ray Top 10 list for units.
As you can clearly see, its pretty random in variation but from the charts above and the graphs below the two reports are very close in magnitude and extremely consistent for most weeks. That seems to imply that for all the weeks except the last one the data was consistent and developed independently or at least was independently modified to account for Walmart sales. It also tends to support the validity of the data set as its extremely consistent with the Nielsen Videoscan first alert report. The last week of 09/18/11 seems to be a switch to using the Nielsen Videoscan Blu-ray index numbers fro some reason or a recognition that they are now using Walmart sales data in the Nielsen Videoscan data. ![]()
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"A lot of good arguments are spoiled by some fool who knows what he is talking about." - Miguel de Unamuno "I understand the concept of optimism. But I think with me what you get is a lack of cynicism." - Tom Hanks follow me on Twitter |
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No narrative yet from the The-Numbers but here is their DVD estimates for 9/25/11
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How do you explain the constant downward revisions made by thenumbers week after week?
X-Men First Class will be hovering between 1m to 1.1m for the next few weeks because the previous weeks' numbers will keep dropping for no reason.
Wishlist Over the Hedge (Dreamworks), Lemony Snicket's (Paramount), Order of the Phoenix Extended Edition (Warner Brothers), The Terminal (Dreamworks)
Sale Items Beauty and the Beast, Inception, Toy Story 3, District 9 & Karate Kid PM please :) |
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![]() ![]() ![]() The-Numbers does not revise the previous weeks numbers at all. Sometimes that affects the actual estimates in subsequent weeks after release as they try most of all to keep the cumulative totals accurate so sometimes the weeks after release revenue numbers are twisted a bit to fit the best information cumulative sales data. But they never revise what they publish? Can you give an example? Are you confusing the weeks after release numbers being smaller than the previous week or release week with revisions? There are current week units and revenue columns and cumulative units and cumulative revenues generated since release. Are you perhaps confusing the two? .
"A lot of good arguments are spoiled by some fool who knows what he is talking about." - Miguel de Unamuno "I understand the concept of optimism. But I think with me what you get is a lack of cynicism." - Tom Hanks follow me on Twitter |
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![]() I also am very curious on the The-Numbers Blu-ray Top 10 list as well. .
"A lot of good arguments are spoiled by some fool who knows what he is talking about." - Miguel de Unamuno "I understand the concept of optimism. But I think with me what you get is a lack of cynicism." - Tom Hanks follow me on Twitter |
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Montreal, Canada
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Here's a summary of the comparisons between the TN and NV units reporting I created.
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"A lot of good arguments are spoiled by some fool who knows what he is talking about." - Miguel de Unamuno "I understand the concept of optimism. But I think with me what you get is a lack of cynicism." - Tom Hanks follow me on Twitter |
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Week ending 9/25/11
No narratives yet. ![]()
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"A lot of good arguments are spoiled by some fool who knows what he is talking about." - Miguel de Unamuno "I understand the concept of optimism. But I think with me what you get is a lack of cynicism." - Tom Hanks follow me on Twitter |
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The consistency between the The-Numbers unit data for DVD and Blu-ray and the weekly Nielsen Videoscan first alert report for the week ending 9/25/11 is again extremely high. Its within a percent variance with random variations.
The Blu-ray index numbers, the DVD+BD index numbers, and the Blu-ray/(DVD+Blu-ray) Blu-ray unit marketshare numbers are all almost identical but not quite as there is some tiny variations. That implies that the Blu-ray numbers are scaled to the same magnitude of the DVD numbers and the relative relationships and ratios this week between the reported DVD and reported Blu-ray units is the same in the The-Numbers report and the Nielsen Videoscan first alert report. That implies the absolute magnitudes are order of magnitude accurate as well.
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"A lot of good arguments are spoiled by some fool who knows what he is talking about." - Miguel de Unamuno "I understand the concept of optimism. But I think with me what you get is a lack of cynicism." - Tom Hanks follow me on Twitter Last edited by blueshadow | Kosty; 10-05-2011 at 12:59 PM. |
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The only area still lacking, and mostly because of lack of top content in comparison with DVD, is music releases. Pro-B |
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Week ending 10/02/11
The Friday release of Transformers: Dark of the Moon does 64% Blu-ray unit marketshare. Quote:
Top 20 Sellers for the Week Ended 10/02/11 Top 20 Rentals for the Week Ended 10/02/11 Top 20 Selling Blu-ray Discs for the Week Ended 10/02/11 .
"A lot of good arguments are spoiled by some fool who knows what he is talking about." - Miguel de Unamuno "I understand the concept of optimism. But I think with me what you get is a lack of cynicism." - Tom Hanks follow me on Twitter Last edited by blueshadow | Kosty; 10-16-2011 at 08:48 PM. |
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Argh.
Just got word from HMM that their normal routine for getting the sales data for the week ending 9/24/11 (Bridesmaids first full week of Star Wars etc) has been delayed from the source so its going to be a little later in coming to us this week. We may not get that HMM revenue chart until next week and they are probably hoping they can still manage to fit it in the next issue before the print deadline as well. Be prepared to not see that week ending 9/24/11 revenue pie chart from HMM until next week. The suspense will continue for a while yet it seems. .
"A lot of good arguments are spoiled by some fool who knows what he is talking about." - Miguel de Unamuno "I understand the concept of optimism. But I think with me what you get is a lack of cynicism." - Tom Hanks follow me on Twitter Last edited by blueshadow | Kosty; 10-06-2011 at 01:23 AM. |
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Its probably going to be a little bit before I can create and post up the Top 20 Sellers and Top 20 Blu-ray chart tonight.
But based on Transformers DOTM 64.38% Blu-ray unit market share and its 100.00 index next to the next highest title's 23.46 about one fifth the volume, its going to be a large column to the left of the chart with two thirds of it blue with a typical pattern for a blockbuster release. The Top 20 Sellers Blu-ray unit marketshare percentage is also going to be very hig .
"A lot of good arguments are spoiled by some fool who knows what he is talking about." - Miguel de Unamuno "I understand the concept of optimism. But I think with me what you get is a lack of cynicism." - Tom Hanks follow me on Twitter |
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OMG
Breaking news Steve Jobs has just died at the age of 56. That will be a big topic of conversation the next few days. Wow RIP to a visionary that changed the world in a positive way. Quote:
http://www.twice.com/article/474850-...bs_Dies_56.php .
"A lot of good arguments are spoiled by some fool who knows what he is talking about." - Miguel de Unamuno "I understand the concept of optimism. But I think with me what you get is a lack of cynicism." - Tom Hanks follow me on Twitter Last edited by blueshadow | Kosty; 10-06-2011 at 01:37 AM. |
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