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Old 09-21-2011, 03:41 PM   #1
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It seems Cap'n Kirk has a bone to pick with Star Wars. I enjoy both for different reasons. But, ultimately, Star Trek cant really measure up to Star Wars as far as epic-ness goes.

The original Star Trek had some classic shows, great technology, and interesting concepts. I enjoy them. But, Star Wars pushed the envelope with way better effects and prodution values. It also has a great story underneath it all - the redemption of Anakin Skywalker is an excellent storyline. Star Trek never reached such heughts. The Star Trek movies are OK but other than Kahn, they really arent that great.

I think overall, Star Wars is bigger, badder, and just has more greatness. Star Trek has great technology and deals with more human-centric subjects which is cool.

For me though - Star Wars >> Star Trek.
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Old 09-21-2011, 03:48 PM   #2
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I'm more of a Star Wars fan than Star Trek fan (eventhough I love the new Star Trek and Star Trek 4: the Search for a Whale).

I let my 6 year old son decide though. I was flipping through the channels the other day and stopped on some Star Trek movie or show and asked him if he wants to watch this, and he instantly said, "this looks bad." That's funny because that's how I thought of it when I was young too - I never liked the whole look of it or its world. I know it has some great stories, but it's just the damn look of the movies/show. Star Trek could have been good if it had a complete makeover. The new movie was sort of like a make-over but it mixed it up with the old to not disappoint the true fans.
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Just saw this on Fox News
http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews.c...te/?test=faces

It seems Cap'n Kirk has a bone to pick with Star Wars. I enjoy both for different reasons. But, ultimately, Star Trek cant really measure up to Star Wars as far as epic-ness goes.

The original Star Trek had some classic shows, great technology, and interesting concepts. I enjoy them. But, Star Wars pushed the envelope with way better effects and prodution values. It also has a great story underneath it all - the redemption of Anakin Skywalker is an excellent storyline. Star Trek never reached such heughts. The Star Trek movies are OK but other than Kahn, they really arent that great.

I think overall, Star Wars is bigger, badder, and just has more greatness. Star Trek has great technology and deals with more human-centric subjects which is cool.

For me though - Star Wars >> Star Trek.
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Old 09-21-2011, 03:54 PM   #5
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Old 09-21-2011, 03:55 PM   #6
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Obviously, Star Wars is a motion picture milestone in a way that the Star Trek films will never be, and probably has a bigger fan following now. It broke ground in FX that Star Trek could only dream of in it's day. It's probably the most loved series of films ever made.

However (SW fans, prepare to blast me now) the best episodes of Star Trek dealt with issues and ideas in the tradition of classic science fiction and had much bigger concepts that Star Wars ever attempted. The best Star Wars films are high adventure, wonderfully produced and great fun. The best Trek had more interesting concepts (as well as more '60's era TV cheese )

But really, I think Shatner is just goofing around in that interview.
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“‘Star Trek’ had relationships and conflict among the relationships and stories that involved humanity and philosophical questions,” he said in the video interview. “‘Star Wars’ was special effects, was ILM at its best.
"Star Trek" is indeed more original, more heavily-rooted in deep humanitarian/philosophical issues, and each episode of the original series did have a clever premise. But that doesn't mean that "Star Wars" should be snubbed; it did a great job at handling the characters themes, and ultimately, crafting a working, believable, and immersive universe with its own mythology and grandeur.

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“God knows what those actors looked like in reality with all those special effects,” he said of the “Star Wars” cast. “There’s no telling what ILM did for those faces and hairdos. They may have walked around with nothing on.”
Understandable statement for Episodes I-III with some of the motion-capture tech, but the main actors would still be the real deal. If he's talking about the original trilogy, then he really is talking out of his butt.

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“Princess Leia, as beautiful as she was and as wonderful an actress as she is can’t compare to the marvelous heroines we had on ‘Star Trek’."
What "heroines?" Uhura? Leia could kick her butt any day! Captain Janeway? Might be a tougher call. But from the classic Trek series, WTF is he talking about?

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I’m not saying that the pretty girls [we had], and they were prettier than the girls on ‘Star Wars’, absolutely, I’m not saying that that’s just the only thing that ‘Star Trek’ is better than ‘Star Wars,’ I’m saying the stories were better.”
Sounds self-contradictory.

Shatner's arguments sound pretty vain and one-sided overall, and he should shut up.

Yep, I'm a "Star Wars" fan first and foremost, and just a causal "Trek" fan.
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I have to say, as much as I love SW and always will, I like Wrath of Khan and the 2009 ST films more than most of the SW films, so you won't see me on either side of the argument really.
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I have to say, as much as I love SW and always will, I like Wrath of Khan and the 2009 ST films more than most of the SW films, so you won't see me on either side of the argument really.
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However (SW fans, prepare to blast me now) the best episodes of Star Trek dealt with issues and ideas in the tradition of classic science fiction and had much bigger concepts that Star Wars ever attempted. The best Star Wars films are high adventure, wonderfully produced and great fun. The best Trek had more interesting concepts (as well as more '60's era TV cheese )
You have struck at the heart of the arguement here. SW never feels like science fiction. It's basically just WW2 in space with aerial dogfights and laser battles. No real theme of outer space or its concept of living there. Everything is presented in SW like it's already known wereas ST is about discovery of the unknown. Which is a truer concept when dealing with the vastness of space. Both have their fair share of goofy aliens but I believe ST display the effects of space upon humans better than any lightsaber duel.
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You have struck at the heart of the arguement here. SW never feels like science fiction. It's basically just WW2 in space with aerial dogfights and laser battles. No real theme of outer space or its concept of living there. Everything is presented in SW like it's already known wereas ST is about discovery of the unknown. Which is a truer concept when dealing with the vastness of space. Both have their fair share of goofy aliens but I believe ST display the effects of space upon humans better than any lightsaber duel.
Correct! Star Wars is more fantasy than science fiction. It could have teken place during medeival times, old England, whereever. Star Trek on the other hand must take place in space and is much more "sciency" than Star Wars.

As for thr thread getting out of control - I dont think so. Most of us like both of them but for different reasons as has been stated. There isnt a right or wrong answer here so Im curious to see if we can keep this going. I have confidence in my blu-ray brothers to make this thread fun without getting at each others throats.
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Bof! I enjoy both. Sure I prefer Star Wars but I also grew up watching the original series on TV back in the 70's.

Frankly I never understood this need for some people to be against something if the like something else?

"I like Star Trek thus I most hate Star Wars"

"I like Lords Of The Rings thus I most hate Star Wars & Star Trek"

It seem even granpa Kirk is not above such childish little rants
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I like both, but for different reasons.

I find Star Wars to be more of an Epic Space Opera more or less based on the good ol Arthurian myths, while Star Trek is actually Sci Fi in a broader sense.

In short I would say

Star Wars = epic scale
Star Trek = smarter
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Why do we need to make everything a black and white issue?

Star Trek versus Star Wars
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Stop the madness!
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Sounds self-contradictory.

Shatner's arguments sound pretty vain and one-sided overall, and he should shut up.
Geez dude calm down. It's pretty obvious he's just joking around and having some fun.
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